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    Quote Originally Posted by jeep7081 View Post
    Great reply! Thanks for taking the time.
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    Hope this helps.

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    Chrysler 4418850 or 5277829 or 5277864.

    This regulator will bump the pressure up to 40 idle 48PSI at WOT.


    Also run at 48psi...

    Here is a list of cars that use this regulator:

    CHRYSLER CONCORDE V6 3.5 F FI 1993-1995
    CHRYSLER CONCORDE LX V6 3.5 F FI 1996-1997
    CHRYSLER CONCORDE LXI V6 3.5 F FI 1996-1997
    CHRYSLER DYNASTY V6 3.3 R FI 1991-1993
    CHRYSLER IMPERIAL V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1991
    CHRYSLER IMPERIAL V6 3.8 L FI 1991-1993
    CHRYSLER INTREPID V6 3.5 F FI 1993-1997
    CHRYSLER INTREPID ES V6 3.5 F FI 1995-1996
    CHRYSLER LHS V6 3.5 F FI 1994-1997
    CHRYSLER NEW YORKER V6 3.5 F FI 1994-1996
    CHRYSLER NEW YORKER FIFTH AVENUE V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1993
    CHRYSLER NEW YORKER FIFTH AVENUE V6 3.8 L FI 1991-1993
    CHRYSLER NEW YORKER LANDAU V6 3.3 R FI 1990
    CHRYSLER NEW YORKER SALON V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1993
    CHRYSLER TC MASERATI V6 3.0 S FI 1990
    CHRYSLER TOWN & COUNTRY V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1993
    CHRYSLER TOWN & COUNTRY V6 3.8 L FI 1994-1995

    DODGE CARAVAN V6 3.3 J FI 1994-1995
    DODGE CARAVAN V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1995
    DODGE CARAVAN C/V V6 3.3 J FI 1994-1995
    DODGE CARAVAN C/V V6 3.3 R FI 1991-1992
    DODGE CARAVAN ES V6 3.3 R FI 1993-1995
    DODGE CARAVAN LE V6 3.3 R FI 1991-1995
    DODGE CARAVAN SE V6 3.3 J FI 1994-1995
    DODGE CARAVAN SE V6 3.3 R FI 1991-1995
    DODGE DYNASTY V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1993
    DODGE DYNASTY LE V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1993
    DODGE GRAND CARAVAN ES V6 3.3 R FI 1993-1995
    DODGE GRAND CARAVAN ES V6 3.8 L FI 1994-1995
    DODGE GRAND CARAVAN LE V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1995

    DODGE GRAND CARAVAN LE V6 3.8 L FI 1994-1995
    DODGE GRAND CARAVAN SE V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1995
    DODGE INTREPID V6 3.5 F FI 1993-1997
    DODGE INTREPID ES V6 3.5 F FI 1993-1997
    DODGE SPIRIT L4 2.5 V FI 1994
    EAGLE VISION ESI V6 3.5 F FI 1995-1997
    EAGLE VISION TSI V6 3.5 F FI 1993-1997
    PLYMOUTH ACCLAIM L4 2.5 V FI 1994
    PLYMOUTH GRAND VOYAGER LE V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1995
    PLYMOUTH GRAND VOYAGER LE V6 3.8 L FI 1994-1995
    PLYMOUTH GRAND VOYAGER SE V6 3.3 R FI 1990-1994
    PLYMOUTH GRAND VOYAGER SE V6 3.8 L FI 1995
    PLYMOUTH PROWLER V6 3.5 F FI 1997
    PLYMOUTH VOYAGER V6 3.3 J FI 1994-1995
    PLYMOUTH VOYAGER V6 3.3 R FI 1995

    PLYMOUTH VOYAGER LE V6 3.3 R FI 1991-1995
    PLYMOUTH VOYAGER LX V6 3.3 R FI 1994
    PLYMOUTH VOYAGER SE V6 3.3 J FI 1994
    PLYMOUTH VOYAGER SE V6 3.3 R FI 1991-1995

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    Put the injectors in. Also put the new FPR in. Pretty straight forward. Wow what a difference! I did the Neon injectors and also rebuild them with new orings, caps, AND filters. The rebuild kit was $28 well worth it.

    Nice power gain, easier starts. Well worth it.

    Only thing I noticed last night was a strange smell. Maybe from the oil I put on the orings, not sure. It went away after I shut the motor off. Noticed it as I pulled in the garage after a drive to buddy house. Any ideas?
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    happens every time you get oily hands on everything after working on mods. don't worry about it unless you smell gas!
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    No gas.
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    I finally put the FPR from the 3.5L and the injectors in as well. Its a noticeable, difference! But there is a flat spot between idle and about 2500-2700 rpm, any way to adress this?
     

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    More detail? I haven't noticed mine do that. The FPR is a 211? Neon injectors? Did you rebuild them or just o-rings?
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    No, im using the 2004 4.0L injectors, these are the actual ones that came with the 04 manifold. I just changed the o-rings, they were nearly new when I got them in 2007.

    Yes, I put on a 211 FPR. It just seems to have no power until it hits 2500-2700 rpm, then it has a noticeable gain!
     

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    I did the rebuild kit. From Mr Injector. $28. When I removed the internal filter they all were sooo bad. Glad I did it. Option #1

    Option #2. The FPR was new for me.

    Option #3. I replaced the fuel filter. I think it was bad. Noticed a difference.

    Option #4. I have a k&n cold air intake. Maybe the more air is better a/f mixture? Trying removing your air lid to get more air in and see if it improves?

    Option #5. Replace injectors with the new style posted on here. The new Ford style. Get them new on EBay for $59!
    Another alternative for the stock 99-up 4.0L is the (22.8#=240cc @ 43.5psi) Ford XR3Z 9F593 A4B / XR3E 9F593 A4B (MOTORCRAFT #CM-4956 )which is the newest design and offer even better performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeep7081 View Post
    I did the rebuild kit. From Mr Injector. $28. When I removed the internal filter they all were sooo bad. Glad I did it. Option #1

    Option #2. The FPR was new for me.

    Option #3. I replaced the fuel filter. I think it was bad. Noticed a difference.

    Option #4. I have a k&n cold air intake. Maybe the more air is better a/f mixture? Trying removing your air lid to get more air in and see if it improves?

    Option #5. Replace injectors with the new style posted on here. The new Ford style. Get them new on EBay for $59!
    Another alternative for the stock 99-up 4.0L is the (22.8#=240cc @ 43.5psi) Ford XR3Z 9F593 A4B / XR3E 9F593 A4B (MOTORCRAFT #CM-4956 )which is the newest design and offer even better performance.

    Forgot to mention I have a FIPK, so the air induction is probably out. Man I must be behind the times, when i originally researched this project, everyone was saying use the 99+ injectors, now its Neon/ford injectors?? hmmm
     

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    I thought 99+ were 19 lb/hr and the ford are 24 lb/hr?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZJ TINS View Post
    I thought 99+ were 19 lb/hr and the ford are 24 lb/hr?
    I was under the impression 99+ were 21-22lb/hr?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZJ TINS View Post
    I thought 99+ were 19 lb/hr and the ford are 24 lb/hr?
    24# are if your motor is stroked. Otherwise it's too high.

    19# on a HO motor is too lean.

    Ford's come in 19# and 24#. Both on 4-hole design

    Dodge Neon is 22.5#

    On the 99+ the new style injector is 22.8# on new designed single hole (better than 4-hole design)
    Here on EBay - $59 for 6 new ones.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SIX-N...Q5fAccessories

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeep7081 View Post
    On the 99+ the new style injector is 22.8# on new designed single hole (better than 4-hole design)
    Here on EBay - $59 for 6 new ones.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SIX-N...Q5fAccessoriest=92236[/URL]
    Are these plug and play? I'm running a mildly built 4.0 (cam, 99+ intake, healthy exhaust) wondering if those would be worth my while.
     

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    Yes, plug and play.
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    Well I think I am going to tackle this project rather quickly here. So I want to make sure that before I do this, that I have all the right parts and what not.

    First I have some questions..
    -What is the best year for the intake. Or was it all the same for the 99-04 WJs?

    -Can I use a 99+ TB or, should I use my OEM one? If I use my OEM TB, what's the biggest bore I can do to it? 60mm? And a TB spacer 60mm to?

    -Exhaust manifold.. 99+ or my OEM one? I am thinking about wrapping it while I'm there

    -I would imagine for the intake gasket that I want from a 99+ or do I want my year?

    -I have FORD (FOTE-9F593-D9B) / BOSCH (280-150-561) 22# injectors. These are 43.5 psi with a 4 pintle design... Will those work?

    -And I do not have to upgrade my PS bracket or pump. Mine will bolt right up


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    FPR
    Intake Gasket (what year)
    New Injectors????
    TB Spacer (gains 76cc)
    Anyhting else I am forgetting? Let me know

    Thanks for the help!
     

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    99+ for intake
    Make sure you get the correct injectors for that. Here is a link I did a write up. Intake alone gained no hp on the dyno. Intake and injectors gained 26hp.
    http://www.highdesertoverlanders.com....php?f=11&t=83

    Dodge Neon are 22.8lb injectors. Stock HO 4.0l motor is 21lbs. Stock 4.0l motor is 19lbs

    Don't forget to upgrade your FPR. For the new injectors. It's a single bolt to remove. My 2yr could do it.
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    you could at LEAST tell us what your putting this on!
    First I have some questions..
    -What is the best year for the intake. Or was it all the same for the 99-04 WJs?
    all the same for 99-04 WJ, 99-01 XJ, 99-04? TJ

    -Can I use a 99+ TB or, should I use my OEM one? If I use my OEM TB, what's the biggest bore I can do to it? 60mm? And a TB spacer 60mm to?
    you can use your OEM one, you can grind it out to 60mm easy or go buy one that is 62mm. TB spacers are crap, I only have one since it was close to free and I'm too lazy to pull it back off. but if you must 60-62mm is fine. the hole in the manifold is 62mm.

    -Exhaust manifold.. 99+ or my OEM one? I am thinking about wrapping it while I'm there
    OEM one, 99+ has the cat in the manifold

    -I would imagine for the intake gasket that I want from a 99+ or do I want my year?
    get your year and port match it to the head and intake

    -I have FORD (FOTE-9F593-D9B) / BOSCH (280-150-561) 22# injectors. These are 43.5 psi with a 4 pintle design... Will those work?
    should, I don't know if the hookup is the same as your stock one

    -And I do not have to upgrade my PS bracket or pump. Mine will bolt right up
    well you didn't tell us what your working on an I'm not psychic
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    that video on that link was awesome
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHf-6ohkgbA
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    Sorry I don't know where to put info about my Jeep

    I have a 98 (ZJ) 4.0 I6.. You know.. a power plant
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    When I do this swap, would I benefit from using my OEM injectors or my Ford injectors??

    My Jeep injectors: '96-'98 #53030778 23.2lb/hr @ 49psi

    My Ford injectors: FORD (FOTE-9F593-D9B) / BOSCH (280-150-561) 22# injectors. These are 43.5 psi with a 4 pintle design

    So my jeep has 1 hole for fuel to spray from where as the Ford injectors have 4 holes to spray from.

    But the Jeep injectors have 2.2lb/hr and 5.5 psi more to them...

    What do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by torchd View Post
    I have a 98 (ZJ) 4.0 I6.. You know.. a power plant
    easy bolt in swap

    Quote Originally Posted by torchd View Post
    When I do this swap, would I benefit from using my OEM injectors or my Ford injectors??

    My Jeep injectors: '96-'98 #53030778 23.2lb/hr @ 49psi

    My Ford injectors: FORD (FOTE-9F593-D9B) / BOSCH (280-150-561) 22# injectors. These are 43.5 psi with a 4 pintle design

    So my jeep has 1 hole for fuel to spray from where as the Ford injectors have 4 holes to spray from.

    But the Jeep injectors have 2.2lb/hr and 5.5 psi more to them...

    What do you think?
    I would NEVER recommend to go to a lower flow injector. lean conditions are serious business. that 2.2lb/hr can be a real difference. I would not do it. if you have to have the 4 spray design, find the right spec injector
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeep7081 View Post
    99+ for intake
    Make sure you get the correct injectors for that. Here is a link I did a write up. Intake alone gained no hp on the dyno. Intake and injectors gained 26hp.
    http://www.highdesertoverlanders.com....php?f=11&t=83

    Dodge Neon are 22.8lb injectors. Stock HO 4.0l motor is 21lbs. Stock 4.0l motor is 19lbs

    Don't forget to upgrade your FPR. For the new injectors. It's a single bolt to remove. My 2yr could do it.
    I am using my stock 98 injectors that are 23.2 lb/hr @ 49 psi.....

    I really cannot to a FPR as it is located by my fuel pump
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    so did u just get this gain with the +99 intake and injectors? OR u got this gain with +99 intake AND head work?
     

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    Can anyone tell me what 2004 4.0L injectors are rated at? They are the bosch style, the thin black ones. I put these on and I have a feeling theyre not flowing enough.... Any ideas?
     

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