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  1. #251 Re: OGDAK's ZJ spare V8 12/09/2006 
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    So, on the edge off the year.
    Had to modify the way I had mounted my limiting straps up front
    They sat to close to the shock body when flexed all the way up.
    which caused some rubbing




    Cause the bolt is a " for the jks shock adapter,
    A longer one is not an option since they are harder to get then Metric's overhere.
    So welded a short M12 with a M6 washer in between to the stock bolt.


    Cause off the washer you get a nice "deep" weld.




    Installed again.


    On with the modification or the hydro assist bracket
    Removed the tie-rod on the driver-side to slide some "rings" on
    Then got everything sort off centered out again.




    tagged it,


    Took the tie-rod off and welded each ring in 3 spots.


    So for the rest off it, needs some cleaning and anti rust treatment,




    most likely that is gonna be next year.
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  2. #252 Re: OGDAK's ZJ misc. 12/29/2006 
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    So since I don't feel like translating tonight , you guys need to try this in dutch. Pic's aren't that hard to understand.

    Zoo even een update, het was een heftig weekje tot nu toe.
    Ben me al geruime tijd aan het orienteren op "bulletproof" assen als ze bestaan tenminste.
    Zoals bekend is de achilles hiel van onze ZJ de huidige vooras, een Dana30rc.
    Ben van mening dat het vrij zinloos is hier veel geld in te steken om te upgraden.
    Als het bij een steekas kruisje blijft zal ik die wel vervangen maar zeker niet upgraden
    en daarmee het probleem verleggen naar de steekas zelf. Steekas is immers duurder dan een
    steekas kruisje. Steekas upgraden is ook geen optie daarmee verleg je het probleem naar het R&P.
    Met name de "ring" gear blijft een kwetsbaar iets. Ook de upgrade middels een locker is leeftijdverkortend
    in mijn situatie. Stel je voor een "gelockte" vooras, 1 wiel vrij spinnend welke plotseling "hapt" in harde ondergrond
    o.i.d. Ondanks het feit dat ik vrij rustig rijdt voel ik het nu al bijna knappen.

    Mogelijke logische axle upgrade kandidaten.
    Kleine upgrade Dana44, grootte upgrade Dana60.
    Gezien het feit dat ik nu 37" draai is de dana44 geen optie.
    Dana60 zou een mooie kandidaat zijn, ware het niet dat het overgroote deel van de Dana60's het diff
    aan de pass. kant hebben zitten en low pinion zijn. Tuurlijk asbuizen omzetten en de binnen knuckle's verdraaien is
    mogelijk. De met name geschikte Dana60 kandidaten, diff aan de bestuurderskant en high pinion zitten onder
    F250 en F350 vanaf ergens jaren '70 o.i.d. Tevens moet je dan achter de boel ook weer gaan aanpassen om je bout patroon
    gelijk te houden, 2 verschillende velgen met reserve banden op 1 tire carrier schiet niet op.
    Ander voordeel van een Dana60 is tevens een "groot" nadeel, het enorme diff huis, wat je uiteraard wel kan "shaven"
    kost een hoop grondspeling. Vervolgens het grootste nadeel, deze assen zijn schaars in Europa en alle leuke aftermarkt
    goodies moet je dus ook uit de states halen. $$
    Wat is dan het alternatief, Portaal assen. huh.


    Hier het nodige over te lezen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_axles heb ik het plaatje ook van geleend.
    De groote voordelen even samenvattend.
    -Bodem vrijheid onder het diff(zal nog even meten tussen de 8.8 en de 404s)
    -Reductie in diff en bij het wiel, geen naaf reductie maar wel een dergelijk principe.
    -Standaard een locker(mijn 404s mechanisch latere modellen ook lucht bediend).
    -Europees product al lang op de markt, dus ruim voorradig oftewel gunstig in prijs.

    Tegenover voordelen staan natuurlijk ook nadelen.
    -Lomp zwaar,
    -de smalspoor modellen zijn toch nog gauw 160 breed en voorzien van trommelremmen. Latere modellen
    voorzien van dubbelklauw schijfremmen, maar spoorbreedtes lopen dan op naar 2 meter en meer.
    -Relatief weinig beschreven kennis over het bouwen van deze assen onder iets anders dan een unimog.

    Tot zover een inleiding.
    Afgelopen zondag op ebay een 404s achteras "gewonnen" ha ha.
    Afgelopen dinsdag om 13:00 in de 323 gestapt, om om 18:30 op plaats bestemming te arriveren.
    Huh, jawel as lag ruim 400 km verderop.
    Terplekke de torque tube gedemonteerd, werd anders een beetje te breed op de aanhanger.
    Met een kettingtakel en het nodige balkhout de as in de aanhanger getrokken.
    Ook met 2 man til je hier niet aan.
    Vervolgens om 19:30 weer huiswaarts gekeerd om daar om 00:15 te arriveren met 850 km achter de rug.

    Daar wachte de volgende verassing, de nieuwe onderdelen voor wat er op 23-10-2006 kapot was gegaan


    Okee geef toe het heeft even geduurd, maar uiteindelijk is het pakketje op 04-01-2007 afgestempeld in Azle, Texas
    en dus afgeleverd op 09-01-2007 in Apeldoorn. De onderdelen en verzending heb ik kostenloos gekregen.
    Kelvin @ http://www.pscmotorsports.com/ thanks.

    As, keerring, afdichtingen, rotor, rotorbladen etc.




    Nog even een plaatje van de 404S en de hoogste tijd om naar bed te gaan.

    p.s. na aanleiding van de foto hierboven, kreeg ik gister de opmerking wat heb je kleine wielen gekocht.!
    Uiteraard heb ik de wielen al opgemeten, wat denk je. Ze zijn GROTER dan mijn huidige 37"ers.
    Zegt dus wel iest over de as.

    Woensdag avond de strijd aangegaan om de 404s uit de aanhanger en op het terras te krijgen.
    Gewapend met Farm-Jack, ratelbanden en goede zin, had ik hem na ruim 2 uur op het terras.




    Hier zie je goed de hoogte winst door het portaal principe.


    Weer even naar de stuurpomp as,
    Hier mijn gemaakte exemplaar boven en de nieuwe onder.
    Wat gelijk opvalt is dat de nieuwe ook al blauw verkleurt is daar waar de as overgaat in de splines.
    Dus datgeen wat ik in eerste instantie dacht, misschien te lang "droog" gelopen is hiermee uit de wereld.


    Ter info de ruimte "onder" het diff is 42 cm gemeten op standaard 10.5*20 mog banden.


    Zo inmiddels ook de stuurpomp weer in elkaar gezet, ga ik zo monteren.


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  3. #253 Re: OGDAK's PSC & 404S 01/13/2007 
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    ooo...Portal axles?
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  4. #254 Re: OGDAK's PSC & 404S 01/13/2007 
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    Haha well that was fun. Unimog axles, cool. Too bad AltaVista didnt translate all of it, but I think I'm getting an idea of where you're going.
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  5. #255 Re: OGDAK's PSC & 404S 01/13/2007 
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    pfffff....
    my post on dutchforum was, can't wait to read this in english..

    don't ask me why but it's more "understandable"

    it's a fucking copy paste
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  6. #256 Re: OGDAK's PSC & 404S 01/13/2007 
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    Quote Originally Posted by ogdak
    "Nog even een plaatje van de 404S en de hoogste tijd om naar bed te gaan."
    I believe this translates to:

    404's in the house!!


    No disrespect to ogdak by the way

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  7. #257 Re: OGDAK's PSC & 404S 01/13/2007 
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    SICK!!
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  8. #258 Re: OGDAK's PSC & 404S 01/13/2007 
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    So here we are again.
    Recently assembled de steering pump twice, had the rotor housing backwards the first time around.


    top


    bottom


    found some time to mount the "jeepclub" shield.



    Getting an allignment




    Ready for january 28th, marshal day in Lathum.
    however.
    Right after lunch, I heard the front "crack, break" wathever, didn't feel good.
    I was sure thought it was the ring gear.

    At first sight, sparkles all over.


    Some bigger chunks.


    A few complete tooth


    First glanse at the spider gear.


    Very carrefully spinned it around, even that didn't go smooth.
    Bud the only damage was done to the spider gear.


    Liitle damage to the cage, "dremel" works miracles


    Just ordered the spider gear, maybe I can make Spaarnwoude on feb 11th.

    Cause I had nothing better to do, I started on the rear 404s
    Had to get it inside first though
    Removing a drumbrake first, cause it was on a little which made rolling the axle hard.
    6 wheel nuts.


    2 screw's which secure the drum.
    They are tight, so using an impact driver worked.




    2 bolts M10 to press the drum off the hub


    Damn, everything is working, considering the axle is 44 years old.


    for reference




    So meanwhile got it inside and help arrived. took the wheels off again.




    wheelnuts back on so the threads won't get damaged.


    torque tube removed, only 12 bolts.




    thats about it for now.


    You no what is so great about this axle, so far averything is metric.

    By the way, this arrived tonight.



    so with a little luck, next weekend............
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  9. #259 Re: OGDAK's drove it, broke it, fix... 02/06/2007 
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    Ouch, broken spider gears.
    Any idea how that happened?

    404s should be really sweet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ILikeMud View Post
    Ouch, broken spider gears.
    Any idea how that happened?
    Never replaced those, so they were the original ones from 1991.
    Tire size speeded up the proces
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  12. #262 Re: OGDAK's drove it, broke it, fix... 02/06/2007 
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    Wow, it has been a while since I updated this one.

    I'll start with a damage report of what i broke so far this year.
    -2 sets off spider gears.
    -2 u-joints
    -1 R&P

    Obvious, all on the front.

    The only one constructive thing I made was a steering brace.
    The whole unimog axle thing is on hold.
    Luckily I got My Zj street legal again since last March.
    We went on trips to Germany(2), France end last weekend to Belgium.
    Next month we'll have a trip to Germany again.
    Looking forward to do something constructive again, most likely integrated side-bars.

    Besides all this the Zj has gotten a few more dents and scratches.

    Later
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  13. #263 Re: OGDAK's drove it, broke it, fix... 02/06/2007 
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    Time to start fabing again.
    After a long search and a lot off patience, finally found some nice axles.


    Tell me if you now.




    The one I was especialy looking for.


    lock-out hubs and disk brakes


    A NP 205


    A NP 435, cause you never know what it is good for.


    Also back then, coils.


    Started to take it apart.


    That's right it is a fo.d b.onco from '77, which had a 351 in it.
    So I think I'll spend quiet some time in the shop next winter.
    O, right it's a HP D44 and a 9"

    Still have the unimog axles laying around, won't do anything with it right now.
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  14. #264 Re: OGDAK's drove it, broke it, fix... 02/06/2007 
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    Started to take the whole thing apart






    Taking the D44 out


    Think I'm gonna reuse these.




    Spareparts? only the grinder was used on the shock upper studs.


    Cleared the D44




    To be continued.
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  15. #265 Re: OGDAK's taking the D44 out 08/27/2007 
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    Wait, did you decide against the portals?
    Poetry in commotion.
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  16. #266 Re: OGDAK's taking the D44 out 08/27/2007 
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuicideTireZJ View Post
    Wait, did you decide against the portals?
    Besides the big clearance advantage, I also liked the attachment to the chassis with the torque tubes.
    So a lot off force comes to the t-case.
    I don't think a this time that that kind off attachment to the unibody will hold up.

    So I have a couple off them sitting in the garage, some day I think I'll use them.
    Most likely on a chassis jeep.
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  17. #267 Re: OGDAK's taking the D44 out 08/27/2007 
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    About time to take that 9" out


    Sprayed some WD40 on rusty nuts & bolts.
    They came loose without a lot off hassle.




    And out, didn't weigh as much as I had expected.


    More metal


    Chassis on its side to have some room again.


    Started on the 9" cause I wanted to know about the small/wide bearings and the 31/35 splines.


    Quess this is small, don't know yet what they should measure up to.


    Well it's 31 splines, on the right a d35.








    Started to take the D44 apart, looks like it's original 3.50 R&P since it's timestamped '77




    Started on the hubs, remove the lock outs.




    nice and greasy


    Taking the retainer out.




    Plling the outergear out, followed by a spring.




    Another retainer.




    Innergear


    Homebrew tool to get the locknut off






    Bearing locknut.


    again a retainer




    followed by an adjusting bearing nut.


    Now the hub and rotor should come off.


    Inner bearing.




    Those 5 rusty/dusty nuts are keeping the spindle, rotorprotection and brakebackplate in place.


    Steelbrush and wd40 sprayed on.


    And they come off easy


    Now they spindle should come off,
    Started with tapping and ended with a big hammer, no luck.
    Just keep going with the WD40.
    All for now. Actually this was yesterday eve.
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  18. #268 Re: OGDAK's taking the 9" out and the D44 apart 08/31/2007 
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    Well it is not everyone that can say I have a set of portals just sitting around for some future project.

    Hell crate them up and ship them over to me I'll run them!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cue-Ball View Post
    Well it is not everyone that can say I have a set of portals just sitting around for some future project.

    Hell crate them up and ship them over to me I'll run them!!!!
    Ha ha, well actually I have one set off 401 which already have been adapted to run under a CJ I think.
    And I have got 2 sets off 404, was thinking about rear steer and stuff like that.
    Now sit tight, besides driving into Germay 3 times for this stuff I paid a grant total for these six axles off 470, you can do the conversion on the euro.

    If you arrange pickup you can get the 401's.
    like said before I'll be doing something with this stuff in the future.
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    That is cheap.

    1Euro=1.3643 US.

    Can't imagine the shipping from ther though. lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cue-Ball View Post
    Can't imagine the shipping from ther though. lol.
    More then I paid for them
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  22. #272 Re: OGDAK's taking the 9" out and the D44 apart 08/31/2007 
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    Looks like that 9" has the bigger bearings. I had a site that I used to find my 9" and it told how to distinguish small from big bearings, I'll post it up if I can find it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfowlzj95 View Post
    I'll post it up if I can find it.
    Thnx
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    Found it:


    http://www.kevinstang.com/Ninecase.htm

    It's about a little over half way down the page. You dont have that lobe hanging down on the backing plate as the small bearing does so you've definatly got the bigger bearings. Plus I'm sure you can tell the difference in diameter between the two.
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    That's quick, thanks.
    It's the big one, in this pic from the same page.

    Looks like mine.
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