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Leave it to the Canadian to take it one step too far.. LOL
Nice work Chad. I like the removable hoop.
Cut the hoops to length and cycled the suspension. I hate this part. The springs hit the frame rail. Have to move some tabs.
Nice work. Bummer on the conflict.
Painted the floor board after removing all the sound deadening. No picture of the rear. Ended up with 12 pounds removed. Not too bad. Didn't get the deadening removed underneath the front seats. I will do that when I do my boatsides and seat mounts.
Shock hoops done. Made them both removeable for simplicity sake.
Found the sweetspot for the shock mounting location. And put it back on its own weight last night.
Always nice to see another red interior jeep!
looks sick cant wait to see it finished
Was the initial issue with spring clearance, at bump or droop? Just moved the upper mount tabs outboard a bit more?
Looks good Chad.
The issue was with the shock with spring versus the frame rail and one side of the axle at full droop and the other side at full compression.
Between the mockup photo and now the shock hoop was shortened and the tabs off the side of the hoop were lengthened.
Thanks.
Started putting it back together today. The crossember is a little hoopy but I like the way it came out. Have to have all the flanges to remove it. My brake parts came in last week. Should have it together this week. Looking forward to wheeling without the sound of the driver spring rubbing the panhard mount.
Chad
Finished up this evening. I am going to have to play with the preload on the springs. The driver's side is sitting one inch higher than the passenger side. I am going to split the difference. Have 8 inches of shaft exposed on the driver and 7 inches on the passenger side.
Also have to finish plumbing the brakes and air locker. I can not wait till GSSW: http://www.mallcrawlin.com/forum//sh...ad.php?t=22403
The new shocks flex pretty well. Bryant says, "hi."
Chad
How much extra stability did you notice being C.O./C.O. compared to C/CO. I know it made a huge difference with stability in mine with Just the CO in the back, i cant wait for the front C.O.s to be installed.
Yeah, nice pics but where's the tech? what improvements where you looking for and did you get them? what spring rates did you end up with? do you plan to tune the valving the way you insist everyone else do?
Actually it is probably marginally less stable. This seems to be an issue when going to either coilovers or airshocks (and alot worse with airshocks) without a swaybar. So when it is all said and done, with the shocks out as wide as I can get them on the front axle side it is about the same stability as before. Just ALOT quiter without a spring hitting the framerail.
Sorry, go read someone elses post if you don't want to look at pictures.
My goals were to simplify the front end, get rid of rubbing springs and get a system that could dampen the front end better than fading 5150 Bilsteins when I run water in the tires and yes, these were accomplished.
Spring rates have already been listed.
Valving has already been tuned and listed.
Uhh can you please tell me where? I just went through the past few pages of your coilover stuff and from what I saw you made no mention of either of those.
How much uptravel do you have before the secondary spring rate hits? I'm suprised you said it was more unstable. It seems like if you built everything so you hit the secondary rate with a high step up after just a couple inches of uptravel, it would keep the body from rolling around so much compared to coils
On the post a page back he said both compression and damping (but I think he meant rebound) valving were made stiffer due to water in the front tires. Although he does not say firmer than what, nor anything quantifiable like how many shims were added to either stack, etc.
and I found no mention of spring rates in this thread but I'd be curious too.
Thanks for the definition of "tuning." I'll be sure to write that down.
A shock manufacture should hire you. You could sell alot of springs and tell the customer that spending money is all part of the "tuning" process.
I looked myself, and I see I didn't mention it. Sorry. I did some weight calculations using my old RE springs and I am at 2,172 pounds sprung in the front with a weight bias of 65 percent front and 35 percent rear. I ended up going with 300 pounds over 350 pounds. And 80 pound keepers.
It is about five inches uptravel, which I set at about the same as spring block out.
Overall it is stiff and so was the old (spring wise, shocks couldn't keep up). And the difference between old and new is marginal and my instinct (which I have to trust) indicates it is slightly less stable which I beleive would be best bandaided with a front swaybar. I am sure Cam would say should be handled by spring changes but this is where we disagree.
Considering that the RE springs were 185 pounds and my new combined spring rate is 161, I can see numerically why it is less stable.
No, I meant damping. The shim stack was handled by ADS because they remade both shocks to be 14 travel. So, I do not have numbers.
Honestly, why do you even care? I don't pick springs right and have no idea what I am talking about.
Touche.
Damn dude, hold a grudge much? But seriously, if you know any shock companies looking to hire, hook me up. That sounds fun.
At the risk of beating a dead horse, proper spring selection is a legit way to adjust suspension performance. That's just fact. And both of us know there are two ways to skin a cat.
Damping (some say dampening) just means resistance to movement. Shocks have compression and rebound valving. Compression happens when the shock compresses and rebound is when the shock extends. More damping comes from adding more shims to a shim stack. Less damping comes from removing shims. There are two shim stacks- one on either side of the piston- one affects compression valving and the other rebound... at least on the shafts I have pulled out of my shocks... and every other that I have seen pictures of. But don't take my word for it, it's in a book.
I speak up when I read a tech post written with an elitist tone that isn't 100% true and it looks like that borderline misinformation might slide on by unquestioned. Carry on...
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