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Front driveshaft length differences between years

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  1. #1 Front driveshaft length differences between years 
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    I got a '97 ZJ with the 5.2. My HP30 is getting worn out, so I replaced it with a LP30 from a '95 ZJ that I got for a steal. When I replaced the axle, I decided to put in the front CV shaft from the '95 so I wouldn't have to replace the yoke on the axle to the u-joint style. When I put it up there it looks like it's 3" too long. The '95 I got it from had the 5.2 too, so I'm wondering is there really a difference in the shaft lengths between years? I thought the transmissions were pretty similar in length between years.
    It's not a big deal. I think I'm just going to buy a u-joint style yoke for the 30 and reuse the same front shaft I've been using with the HP30.
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    RC,
    I went the opposite route. I put a U joint style driveshaft in my 5.2L 95 ZJ that was a CV style driveshaft.
    I know the length of driveshaft I needed for U joint was 36" nominal. I dunno if that is the actual answer you were lookign for, but I had trouble diserning the question fro your post.
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    i got a driveshaft on line that was too long i just popped off the lock nut and cut the seal so i could make it the right lenght
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    Engine and tranny combos being the same for said ZJ's, the big difference comes from fact that the 46/44RE tranny's are shorter due to the electrionc governor being mounted to the valve body. The 46RH tranny's in the earlier 5.2 ZJ's use a hydralic governor that's part of the tail shaft assembly and therefore adds length to the transfer case adapter housing. Repositioning the governor in the RE tranny's allowed that housing to be shortened by about 3" for 96 and later ZJ's. Between all that and the change to the short pinion Dana 30's for 96 and later ZJ's, mixing and matching drive shafts especally front drive shafts between early and late ZJ's (95 being the last of the early config.) not to mention weather the HP30 throws you anouther curve or not, is pretty scetchy at best. Bring a good tape measure and measure twice. Good luck!
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    When I was looking into gear ratio swaps on my 96, I'm pretty sure I remember that they went from a long pinion style d30 (the old CJ style d30) in the 93-95s to a short pinion style d30 in the 96-98s (new TJ style), with basically luck of the draw for the 96 MY. I dont know what year your HP30 was,.....Either way, I don't think this will get you anywhere close to 3", so I'd wager that its a combo of tranny tailhousing length and possibly pinion length change as well.

    Just something else to complicate the picture.
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    I found that the longest shafts came from V8 Grands. The one I have on my Grand came from a 1993 V8 Grand and you can see from the picture that at 7" of lift that shaft is barely extended.



    Also, since this topic has come up a few times on NAGCA I took the liberty of grabbing a bunch of shafts from my dad's yard to show the varying lengths. Here are front ones and back ones laid out.




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    Would the shaft be the same length on an AW4? Just a thought.
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    The shortest front shaft that is pictured above is from an I-6 Grand.
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    I thought XJ front shafts were a touch longer?
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    FWIW;
    shaft lenghts
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    Last edited by cavaliers1323; 12-13-2008 at 01:09 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by naturalbornmudder View Post
    RC,
    I went the opposite route. I put a U joint style driveshaft in my 5.2L 95 ZJ that was a CV style driveshaft.
    I know the length of driveshaft I needed for U joint was 36" nominal. I dunno if that is the actual answer you were lookign for, but I had trouble diserning the question fro your post.
    I just converted my 95 ZJ from cv drive shaft to u-joint and am in search of a drive shaft the right length. I have two that are two short and was hoping you could tell me what you pulled yours out of to get the 36" length needed to get my shaft installed and working!

    Thanks in advance
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    http://www2.dana.com/pdf/J321-CV.PDF

    I call it the driveshaft bible, perfect for junk yard hunting
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