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Swamp boy
01-15-2006, 12:55 AM
Well I decided to do mine and it went a little something like this.....


I started by taking the 7 bolts out of the oil pump...
http://thumb3.webshots.net/t/61/161/7/57/76/2804757760078299183iQeUuC_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2804757760078299183iQeUuC)
http://images.igloos.ca/d/116407-2/DSC00634_001.JPG
It wont take a geneous to figure out that I had already pulled the primary gears at this point and set the pump back in but .... Have a poser pic anyway...

Then I just grabbed it on the ridges with Vice grips and bumped the case with a rubber mallet while I pulled on it.. (switching from side to side to make it pull out evenly..)Or you could just use a pulley puller and do it the right way...

Then you remove the front band....
I didnt get a picture but you just loosen the band adjuster and pull out the band.. Its pretty straight forward.. I will try to take a picture of it tommorow as the tranny is still on my custom tranny rebuild table...:smt112


Then pull out the primary assembly..
http://thumb3.webshots.net/t/62/62/1/27/47/2802127470078299183DSOCnc_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2802127470078299183DSOCnc)

The assembly comes into two pieces...Open it up..
http://images.igloos.ca/d/116413-2/DSC00636_001.JPGhttp://thumb3.webshots.net/t/55/55/7/11/47/2422711470078299183lOvyEt_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2422711470078299183lOvyEt)
Here is the secondary assembly .. It pulls out of the primary..
http://thumb3.webshots.net/t/55/155/6/91/9/2152691090078299183UQAbHv_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2152691090078299183UQAbHv)
http://images.igloos.ca/d/116416-2/DSC00637_001.JPG

Here is the back side of the primary

http://images.igloos.ca/d/116420-2/DSC00638.JPGhttp://thumb3.webshots.net/t/61/161/5/49/61/2990549610078299183IJAsze_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2990549610078299183IJAsze)


Pull out the lock ring and remove the clutches and spacers.

http://thumb3.webshots.net/t/60/60/6/21/78/2806621780078299183hgnoBx_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2806621780078299183hgnoBx)


Put this one aside it needs to go back...
http://images.igloos.ca/d/116429-2/DSC00641.JPGhttp://thumb3.webshots.net/t/53/153/0/44/47/2959044470078299183Wltlfv_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2959044470078299183Wltlfv)


Damn thumbnail.. Anyway.. This is the old clutches after removing the spacer..
http://images.igloos.ca/d/116431-2/DSC00642.JPG


New Clutches and spacers in the primary.. (old ones are on the left..)
http://thumb3.webshots.net/t/57/57/8/76/48/2925876480078299183iPfUbk_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2925876480078299183iPfUbk)
http://images.igloos.ca/d/116435-2/DSC00643.JPG


same for the secondary set..Pull lock ring.
http://thumb3.webshots.net/t/62/62/7/33/66/2727733660078299183pEWKno_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2727733660078299183pEWKno)
http://images.igloos.ca/d/116441-1/DSC00645.JPG

This is the assembly back together.. Old secondary clutches are on the ground.
http://images.igloos.ca/d/116444-2/DSC00646.JPGhttp://thumb3.webshots.net/t/57/57/5/83/84/2006583840078299183RPcuVL_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2006583840078299183RPcuVL)


Then I pulled this lock ring off and inspected the planetary gears..
http://images.igloos.ca/d/116447-2/DSC00647.JPGhttp://thumb3.webshots.net/t/64/164/8/21/91/2887821910078299183VLjWuM_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2887821910078299183VLjWuM)

They look great dont they... Oooooh ....Aaaaaaaah....:D :D
http://images.igloos.ca/d/116450-2/DSC00648.JPG
http://thumb3.webshots.net/t/52/152/0/55/28/2334055280078299183NjsojD_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2334055280078299183NjsojD)

I took the overdrive unit off and all the tollerances where within spec...
And it requires several special tools.. (And since I have an entire spare tranny just incase I have problems with the overdrive...:D) I decided to leave it alone...

I also did a Transgo shift kit but I dont have any pictures.. Suffice it to say the video and the manual that come with the shift kit is very good and I had no problem following directions...

Now for the most important part.. New Tranny cooler..

Started with a Derale tranny cooler with fan..
http://www.derale.com/img/13700remotecooler.jpghttp://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/flx-4190.jpg

And mounted it inside the back of my truck....
http://thumb3.webshots.net/t/64/164/2/65/63/2995265630078299183ogataH_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2995265630078299183ogataH)


I understand most cant do this but I can so...:finga:

http://images.igloos.ca/d/117662-2/DSC00671.JPG

And ran the lines..I used all braided stainless since I have a friend in a speed shop that makes custom lines for me...:bling:
http://images.igloos.ca/d/117665-2/DSC00672.JPG
since its mounted to the back wall of my Jeep.. It pushes into the bed area....

http://images.igloos.ca/d/117668-2/DSC00673.JPGhttp://thumb3.webshots.net/t/61/161/7/94/64/2273794640078299183vextSi_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2273794640078299183vextSi)

And mounted the Tranny temp gauge....

Here is where the temp sensor is going to cut into the line..I will have to cut the line and add a few more fittings for the sensor . I will get pics of that when I do...

http://images.igloos.ca/d/117674-2/DSC00676.JPGhttp://thumb3.webshots.net/t/55/155/9/70/5/2928970050078299183dJEqwf_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2928970050078299183dJEqwf)


Thats it for now.. Waiting on a custom Torque converter and then I will finish the install of the tranny and hook up the cooling lines...

I will add pics when I get that part done...

Swamp boy
01-15-2006, 12:57 AM
What an idiot...

In my first sentence I misspell genious..


Doh!!!!

Ok.. Carry on...


Oh.. Wanted to add one more thing.. I have the tranny manual if anyone wants to rebuild and would like to have it.. (I can photo copy it and send it out.. And save you the $20)

TrojanMan
01-15-2006, 01:22 AM
where'd you get your torque converter from? I could have hooked you up with a discount on level 10

Swamp boy
01-15-2006, 01:37 AM
There is a place about 2 miles from here called Custom Built torque converter..

(Catchy name ...:rolleyes:) They are doing it.. But just for shits and giggles how much we talking about for the level 10??

TrojanMan
01-15-2006, 02:09 AM
300 shipped for a heavy duty stock stall, probably about 400 shipped for a heavy duty custom torque converter.. and I think 500 shipped for a bulletproof one. How much was all the stuff for the rebuild?

DJJordache
01-15-2006, 02:10 AM
how about you come over to houston and rebuild my spare junk:D I too have like 3 manuals on the 42re but am still intimidated to try and rebuild an auto, but the going rate to rebuild a 42re around here is about 2600! OUCH!

LouisianaZJ
01-15-2006, 04:21 AM
There is a place about 2 miles from here called Custom Built torque converter..


the guy who runs the shop also acts like he has roid rage or is on speed or something :smt119 :smt112 :smt105

i wonder how you tranny runs after it is all done? and if you will have any leftover bolts

nate
01-15-2006, 11:43 AM
Hmm, that doesn't seem too hard. I was going to rebuild a TH350 a while back, but ended up sending it off instead.

Swamp boy
01-15-2006, 12:54 PM
Its back together ...No left over bolts... :)


As soon as I get the torque converter back and finish the plumbing I will let you know how it runs...:D

I paid $170 for my tranny rebuild kit but this guy on Ebay has the same kit for $121 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DODGE-518-A518-TRANSMISSION-MASTER-REBUILD-KIT-90-97_W0QQitemZ8030089777QQcategoryZ33727QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DODGE-518-A518-TRANSMISSION-MASTER-REBUILD-KIT-90-97_W0QQitemZ8030089777QQcategoryZ33727QQrdZ1QQcmdZ ViewItem)
In fact Oregon Performance transmission is who I ordered mine from...:mad:

Also on Ebay.. The shift kit.. From the same company....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRANSGO-A518-A618-TORQUEFLITE-DODGE-CUMMINS-SHIFT-KIT_W0QQitemZ8029692914QQcategoryZ33727QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Around $80..

So you are looking at around $200 for the parts to do it and honestly only about a day.. Now if you need to rebuild your overdrive unit it will take longer and you will have to buy some crazy tools... (that same guy sells them..)

OverkillZJ
01-15-2006, 03:10 PM
That's a heck of a lot better than an $1800 rebuilt, I can't wait to see how it holds up!

DJJordache
01-15-2006, 05:14 PM
thanks for the info and pics Swappy:D
How hard was it to slide on and off the OD section? Is it a pain to line up the parking pawl when sliding it on?

Swamp boy
01-15-2006, 06:41 PM
Big pain in my ass to get the park prawl back on till I figured it out.. you have to rotate the tail shaft while you push the valve body into place..


But the over drive unit came off pretty easily...:D Getting it back on was easy as well except for aiming the park rod.. but like I said once I got someone to lend me a hand and turn the tail shaft it slipped right in...

TrojanMan
01-15-2006, 08:44 PM
now wheel it and let us see how it holds.

Swamp boy
01-15-2006, 10:12 PM
As soon as I get the converter back I am going to take it out and runn the hell out of it on the street ... Then I will wheel it like a red neck with his brothers truck...:D

Jim311
01-16-2006, 01:21 AM
Pardon my ignorance but is that a 42RE or a 44/46?

Swamp boy
01-16-2006, 02:19 AM
93 V8...Its a 46RH...

Jim311
01-16-2006, 10:09 AM
Hopefully you get it all put back together and working good. I know my trans has seen better days, but everyone tells me that rebuilding an automatic isn't an easy task. But the savings is really tempting.

Swamp boy
01-16-2006, 10:20 AM
I can tell you when I saw the pile of clutch packs and parts I freaked out.. But I decided to try it anyway and it really wasnt that hard... I think people worry because they think its really complex.. But you can see in the pics that its really not...

Besides ... Have you seen the idiots that work in the tranny shops???

Do you think they are smarter than you???:D:D

Jim311
01-16-2006, 11:12 PM
I can tell you when I saw the pile of clutch packs and parts I freaked out.. But I decided to try it anyway and it really wasnt that hard... I think people worry because they think its really complex.. But you can see in the pics that its really not...

Besides ... Have you seen the idiots that work in the tranny shops???

Do you think they are smarter than you???:D:D


I've just always been intimidated by auto trannies. They seem super complex, and the fact that if I fuck up during the rebuild I'll have to drop the tranny AGAIN, fix it, and then reinstall it just sucks. I was thinking about having a performance rebuild done by somebody reputable. I've heard of too many cheap rebuilds shitting the bed a few thousand miles down the road.

Swamp boy
01-16-2006, 11:30 PM
I talked to a few tranny guys and they told me the most common problem with rebuilds going south is that they dont take the check valve out of the cooler... And they new tranny over heats... I tossed my factory cooler and the lines... Now I have new cooling lines and a new cooler... So I am not worried about my tranny.. I honestly cant wait to take it for the first spin... To finally have a tranny that shifts good and feels strong...

I have the utmost trust in my tranny guy...He is the coolest dude I know...:smt046

TrojanMan
01-17-2006, 06:17 AM
I have the utmost trust in my tranny guy...He is the coolest dude I know...:smt046

post or pre op?

rob92xj
01-17-2006, 03:34 PM
Swamp Boy while you had it apart did you change the piston seals in the front(primary) and rear(secondary) drums if you did you would have found the finish on the front drum and piston ready to tear a new seal. The front drum and piston were machined improperly by the suppliers and will only last about 50-60000 miles on adverage. When I get over this damn virus I'm going to tear into Stinkomans trans, I'll try and take pics while I do it. I have rebuilt almost 100 42,44, 46 and 47 RH/RE's over the past 8 years. I've done 2 45/5-45RFE's and about 6 42RLE in TJ's and KJ's, I work for a Jeep dealer.

Swamp boy
01-17-2006, 09:01 PM
Yes I did and I sanded them with emory cloth to smoth them out.. I thought that it was specific to my Tranny so I didnt post anything about that...

No need to scare the others...:D


Post up the pics when you tear in to his ...I was unaware of the casting problem...Glad you posted up...

I also changed the giant rubber o-ring on the oil pump but I didnt post about that either.....

I guess I will have to take better pics next time.. I know several guys in the area with grands... One of them is bound to need a rebuild soon....:D



Oh and Trojan man... I am still Pre-op. But I cant wait for the boob job....:smt005

death-mobile
01-17-2006, 10:28 PM
Like me. Once it gets warmer I'm going to rebuild my 42RE. More information would be great. The more detail the better.

rob92xj
01-18-2006, 03:19 PM
Tehy are very simple transmissions to rebuild, there are a few special tools needed especially for the OD assembly one of which is a shop press and a few Miller tools to compress a spring that is about the size of a coil spring in it.

Cue-Ball
01-18-2006, 03:37 PM
Rob,

I am dealing with a major problem right now that maybe you might know the answer too.

I have a 42RE and it leaks like a stuck pig. I have had it apart about 7 times and no one can fix it.

I am going down again this Sat. to pull the OD housing (again). I have not been present the last few times it has been torn apart, so I am told that the gasket between the trans and OH housing seals everything except a little piston that is sealed by 2 small o-rings, the guy I am dealing with thinks that maybe some silicone needs to be put on the area around the piston BEFORE the OD housing goes in to hold it all together.

Does this make any sense to you? I am not sure if I am explaining it correctly or not.
If you are looking at the back of the tranny I think the piston is in the bottom right corner somewhere but not really sure.

I guess the question is should ANY silicone sealer be used when reassembling the tranny?

rob92xj
01-18-2006, 04:21 PM
Silcone to fix a leak on an RE is just putting a band aid on it. There is a gasket between the OD housing and main case inorder to replace this gasket you need to disassemble the trans remove the over running clutch retainer/OD piston retainer, there used to be a gasket that was cut out around the retainer and you would have to cut the old gasket around the retainer but DC stopped making them a few years ago, make sure the gasket area is very clean and do not use anything but a plastic scraper to remove anything from the old gasket as a razor blade can knick the case deep enought to create another leak in the area and sanding disks and stuff like that remove too much material unless its a white 3M roloc used at the proper speed of less than 12000 RPM, there are 2 seals in between the OD and trans case they are for the OD piston silicone on the piston will guarantee the OD and possably 3rd gear will no longer work.
Hope that helps.

Cue-Ball
01-18-2006, 04:43 PM
Rob,
That helps I guess.

I am sorry to hi-jack this thread guys, I will start a new one for my problem.

tmhb16
03-15-2006, 12:36 AM
any updates?

spykosshow
03-15-2006, 07:59 PM
I've rebuilt an engine, and this doesn't look to hard. Is it really this easy?

Hurricane 4x4
03-15-2006, 09:22 PM
nope... there is a boss you have to defeat at the end of the rebuild... i think swamp boy forgot to mention him.. his name is bowser

spykosshow
03-15-2006, 09:35 PM
nope... there is a boss you have to defeat at the end of the rebuild... i think swamp boy forgot to mention him.. his name is bowser

Dang, not sure if I can do that....:smt027This seems like the cheapest route to rebuilding a 42re though.

LouisianaZJ
03-15-2006, 11:27 PM
he finished the trans/torque converter. still has to bolt up the t-case.
he will probably post up the details

Swamp boy
03-15-2006, 11:56 PM
Waiting on the guy to come over and finish up my cooling lines... They are custom braided steel and he has to put the ends on them ..He is on vacation but is due back Thursday.. Hopeing to get her finished very soon...

Then its off to the shop to get long arms....:D

dasVettemeister
03-20-2006, 06:04 AM
I talked to a few tranny guys and they told me the most common problem with rebuilds going south is that they dont take the check valve out of the cooler... And they new tranny over heats

Where is this located?

DJJordache
03-20-2006, 10:43 AM
I think only the v8's have a check ball in the cooler line, right? or is it like you said inside the stock cooler? if so I'm replacing mine ASAP, my first transmission died bc of a overheat in the cooler lines, so I cleaned just the lines and cooler out with transmission fluch junk in a spray can

LouisianaZJ
03-20-2006, 02:11 PM
check valve in cooler line around the front of the engine. it is at one of the rubber/metal line connections in a brass fitting with an arrow etched on it.

death-mobile
05-08-2006, 09:14 PM
How did this rebuild hold up so far?

Swamp boy
05-08-2006, 10:41 PM
:smt082:smt082:smt082:smt082:smt082:smt082:smt082: smt082


Well I am the slowest turd in the fucking world ... I put the tranny and t case in ... And I either crushed the crank position sensor or fucked up something else.. It wont start...:smt093 I have changed the neutral safety switch and the coil and I have a buddy coming over (he is a mechanic) he is going to help me diagnose..

He also has a wiring manual and if we cant figure it out we are going to install a toggle switch and a push button.. (I like the one that says "GO BABY GO" on it...:smt082


He is coming over this week so I will let you know soon..:cool:

death-mobile
09-23-2006, 12:54 AM
So....did it ever hot the road?

LouisianaZJ
09-23-2006, 03:07 AM
not yet i dont think

Swamp boy
10-15-2006, 11:56 PM
It hasnt hit the road yet but I did put it on Jackstands and run it .. It shifted thru all the gears I am having trouble with the wireing so its not road ready yet..:(

Sudz
06-02-2007, 11:20 AM
7 1/2 months later and still on jackstands? DAMN!

i guess the rebuild didn't go so good after all...

LouisianaZJ
06-02-2007, 05:04 PM
lol

I think he fixed it the other day, it was a messed up neutral safety switch

Swamp boy
07-01-2007, 09:11 PM
Terrorized my neighbors the other day for about an hour. . rebuild went good... I changed the NSS and the CPS and it fired right up..

Just took some time cause Ive been working on my Rental house..

Its in the final stages so I did some work on the Jeep.. I wont be starting it up again til I am completely done with the repairs..

Wood floors and cabinets are all thats left..

death-mobile
08-01-2007, 09:24 AM
I talked to a few tranny guys and they told me the most common problem with rebuilds going south is that they dont take the check valve out of the cooler... And they new tranny over heats... I tossed my factory cooler and the lines... Now I have new cooling lines and a new cooler... So I am not worried about my tranny.. I honestly cant wait to take it for the first spin... To finally have a tranny that shifts good and feels strong...

I have the utmost trust in my tranny guy...He is the coolest dude I know...:smt046


Can you explain removing the check valve for someone who is a lil slow ;)

SOLITUDE
08-01-2007, 10:20 AM
Can we get a little host'age of the el picturo's?

OverkillZJ
08-01-2007, 11:07 AM
Looks like i might need to try this whole... rebuild thing... on a 3/4 diesel suburban soon... It's slipping.

death-mobile
08-01-2007, 11:10 AM
Can we get a little host'age of the el picturo's?

MAS PICTUROS!!!

VIVA LA REVOLUTION!

death-mobile
08-05-2007, 11:28 AM
I have my trans out and started reading the manual. Did you use any of the special tools? I see they want you to use an alignment tool to stick in the overdrive section when you pull it off. Do you really need it? Also the spring compressor dealie, do you need that or can you make do with something else? I'm getting a little nervous now because those tools are expensive.

DJJordache
08-05-2007, 06:21 PM
you don't need the OD alignment tool, or at least I didn't need it for my 4wd swap. Check the link in my sig for some maybe helpful hints on getting the OD section back on.

death-mobile
08-06-2007, 09:17 PM
Thanks ahead of time. I'm about to check your sig now.

I was tempted to purchase this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=110155228265

and rebuild the od section too, but why fix what isn't broken. The only tools I think I might still need would be the clutch compressor and the other compressor dealie that looks like a valve spring compressor.

Dan95YJ
11-15-2007, 07:12 PM
What an idiot...

In my first sentence I misspell genious..

Doh!!!!

Ok.. Carry on...



It is spelled genius. :eek: