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zjeepin
09-22-2005, 04:30 PM
Im thinking about putting either a chevy or ford 4 speed behind the upcoming stroker. do any of you guys have experience with these trannies and have any idea how much shorter they are than my current ax-15 ( its mount bolts in the same place as the factory autos). I've got alot of work in my current xmember setup and really really really don't want to modify it any further. I can get an nv3550 but the 4 speeds have substantially lower 1st, are much more readily available, and there are more options as far as doublers.

TrojanMan
09-22-2005, 05:43 PM
I'd go with the AW4. It comes in ZJ's already so you know it'd work out, because you're OBDI you can get one from a 93/94 ZJ. There is one here 5 minutes from my house, if you wanted i'll take you over there and you can get the pistons & rings. Even though you are putting in a stroker, you still won't need much more beef than the AW4. It's a pretty stout tranny, they put it in toyota supras unless i'm mistaken. I'm going to swap in an XJ AW4 when my 42re goes out.

ATL ZJ
09-22-2005, 05:58 PM
What don't you like about the ax-15? Or are you thinking that the stroker may overpower it?

Kraqa
09-22-2005, 06:22 PM
tf999

zjeepin
09-22-2005, 09:13 PM
I'd go with the AW4. It comes in ZJ's already so you know it'd work out, because you're OBDI you can get one from a 93/94 ZJ. There is one here 5 minutes from my house, if you wanted i'll take you over there and you can get the pistons & rings. Even though you are putting in a stroker, you still won't need much more beef than the AW4. It's a pretty stout tranny, they put it in toyota supras unless i'm mistaken. I'm going to swap in an XJ AW4 when my 42re goes out.

im a five speed....i hate autos.... i'll prolly come down there for the pistons tho




What don't you like about the ax-15? Or are you thinking that the stroker may overpower it?


the ax has a ton of hard miles on it, i just know it wont last long behind the stroker, it already makes all sorts of noises. Id also like to get a lower 1st


Im goin by my buddies shop later, i can measure some cj's with 4 speeds sinde i'll have to change bellhousings anyway, i'll have a pretty good idea of whats what then.

TrojanMan
09-22-2005, 09:15 PM
you said 4 speed, I automatically assumed 4 speed auto

zjeepin
09-24-2005, 01:23 PM
damn automatics


you said 4 speed, I automatically assumed 4 speed auto

ILikeMud
09-25-2005, 06:11 PM
Why do you want a 4spd?
Most people like the SM465.

Personally I'd go for an NV4500, pure beef and a deep 1st gear.

MaineZJ
09-25-2005, 07:54 PM
what about a Toy 5 speed. somewhere there is a chart showing what bellhousing to bolt a toy tranny to a jeep engine.

zjeepin
09-26-2005, 01:31 PM
Why do you want a 4spd?
Most people like the SM465.

Personally I'd go for an NV4500, pure beef and a deep 1st gear.

i thought 465 was a 4 speed, i was basically grouping all the 1 ton trannies into the 4-speed group.


SM420 and 465 i can get within 5 miles of here CHEAP. I can't find a4500 cheap and i don't give a dam about overdrive anymore, just want a tough tranny to go behind my stroker. I also want something that i can put a doubler behind with only 1 adapter, whether its a 231/300 or a 203/300 or 205 (all of which are readily available to me)


what about a Toy 5 speed. somewhere there is a chart showing what bellhousing to bolt a toy tranny to a jeep engine.

Fawk that! IIRC the toy 5sp is a variation of the ax-15. i could just keep the tranny i've got and let it explode.

5 Speed ZJ
11-21-2005, 11:00 PM
Why do you want a 4spd?
Most people like the SM465.

Personally I'd go for an NV4500, pure beef and a deep 1st gear.

Why would he want a 5 speed either? Its a trail rig, doesn't really need a 5th gear if 1st is real low.

5 Speed ZJ
11-21-2005, 11:01 PM
let it explode and take pics!

zjeepin
11-22-2005, 10:34 AM
let it explode and take pics!

you'd be surprised the beating the ax-15 has taken but its still time to lose it for the 4 speed. i've acquired a np435 and 205 combo cheap enough so as soon as i can afford an engine i'll be doing that swap

ILikeMud
11-23-2005, 01:28 AM
Why would he want a 5 speed either? Its a trail rig, doesn't really need a 5th gear if 1st is real low.

Dunno...
Even when my jeep gets far enough along to be a trail only rig I want it to still be driveable on the roads.

OverkillZJ
11-23-2005, 02:12 AM
So you're saying a 4 speed can't be driven on the street? Who cares anyway... "trail...rig..."

zjeepin
11-23-2005, 11:00 AM
So you're saying a 4 speed can't be driven on the street? Who cares anyway... "trail...rig..."

with my 5 speed, i very rarely use 5th, its going to be a much greater advantage to have a 6.7something first than to have overdrive. plus a 4 speed tranny is much cheaper and more readily available than a 5 speed with a granny first. i know where at least 5 np435's can be had for $100.

OverkillZJ
11-23-2005, 11:27 AM
That's what I figured, I was just poking fun at ILikeMud for saying a 4 speed would make it truly trail only :)

5 Speed ZJ
11-24-2005, 05:53 AM
So you're saying a 4 speed can't be driven on the street? Who cares anyway... "trail...rig..."

exactly

5 Speed ZJ
11-24-2005, 05:55 AM
you'd be surprised the beating the ax-15 has taken but its still time to lose it for the 4 speed. i've acquired a np435 and 205 combo cheap enough so as soon as i can afford an engine i'll be doing that swap

Wow, I can't wait to see all this that is gonna be sick. I wil have to come up and check that out when I have mucho time on my hands.

zjeepin
11-25-2005, 02:11 PM
Wow, I can't wait to see all this that is gonna be sick. I wil have to come up and check that out when I have mucho time on my hands.

yeah dude, come up... im still waiting for a magical deposit in my checking account so i can go ahead and replace my wornthefawk out 4.slow at the same time i do the tranny/tcase swap. i keep telling myself im going back with a stroker but i'll be able to afford a stock 4.0 much sooner.

5 Speed ZJ
12-07-2005, 05:08 AM
yeah dude, come up... im still waiting for a magical deposit in my checking account so i can go ahead and replace my wornthefawk out 4.slow at the same time i do the tranny/tcase swap. i keep telling myself im going back with a stroker but i'll be able to afford a stock 4.0 much sooner.

heck yeah man I would love to come up.

ILikeMud
12-07-2005, 02:02 PM
That's what I figured, I was just poking fun at ILikeMud for saying a 4 speed would make it truly trail only :)

I didn't quite mean it would be trail only but it would suck if you have to go on the highway. Least that's been my exp with a 4spd equip'd vehicle. 78 Rabbit with a 4spd can barely do 70mph on the hwy. I doubt you'd take a rig like that on the hwy though unless you really had to.