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nate
04-03-2005, 12:12 AM
Hey you guys that run the 1 ton stuff, did you have to fab up a new track bar mount?

I'm thinking of using stock TREs and a modified YJ setup... though I'm not sure if I will be able to clear the mounts... kinda looking for pics or whatever to give me an idea of what I should do.

Kraqa
04-03-2005, 12:34 AM
if i recall. if you do the "1 ton" stuff on top of the knuckle then your fine its when you try to keep it below the knuckle. you will get some sort of bump steer if you run it ontop and dont' relocate the track bar.

nate
04-03-2005, 01:36 AM
Yeah I gotta pull all the stock shit off and fit up the YJ junk...

What I'm planning is running the YJ stuff on the top of knuckles. My brother made me some of the TRE inserts like Go Fer It sells, so I have a whole bunch of those to use.

The 1 ton stuff is nice and all, but I've never had a problem with the stock TREs and the ones I have are all brand new. Bascially this setup will just cost me some time and that's it.

Troy
04-03-2005, 10:22 AM
Just for reference, here's the track bar mount we made (t-bar using johnny joints at both ends). It's held up well so far but will flex a little bit under stress. I need to address the flexing bracket when I install the hydro setup.

http://smallnet.homeip.net/gallery/albums/Long-Arm-Build-Axle-Upgrades/IM000906_JPG.jpg

chadjans
04-03-2005, 10:14 PM
http://mallcrawlin.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1034&highlight=

It is worse going under the knuckle. Hits the track bar bolt dead on.

Nordic1
04-04-2005, 01:06 AM
The most idea swap for a dana 30 would be the tera 30 knuckle running crossover (over the knuckle) with an over axle track bar bracket. That creates the most level track bar/steering angles with almost no bump steer. I have over knuckle with over axle track bar setup and with the tera knuckle, I will finally have my steering straitened out.

chadjans
04-04-2005, 01:14 AM
:smt017

Wow money must grow on trees.

ELLLLLIOTTTTT
04-04-2005, 01:28 AM
:smt017

Wow money must grow on trees.

yea really, i am not investing any more money into the POS D30 than I have to.

nate
04-07-2005, 07:07 PM
With over the knuckle did you have to run the over the knuckle setup? From what I am seeing, it will be real interested getting stuff not to rub.

chadjans
04-07-2005, 07:40 PM
I HIGHLY recomend going over the knukle. The steering angles are actually worse under the knuckle using the part numbers I used.

Chad

nate
04-08-2005, 04:03 AM
I am using the stock YJ linkages since I have a bunch of Jeep TREs, the linkage cost me a 6 pack, and my brother made me some of the flip inserts.

With it under the knuckle, the trackbar and draglink angles are just about perfect... way better than with the stock steering actually. I will post up some pics later on. Gotta burn the midnight oil. Screw sleeping, I have a Jeep to build.

speedmontzj
04-08-2005, 11:25 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/0875b403.jpg
i modified the stock mount for a rod end. just added a mount on the axle.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/36cabf22.jpg

Nordic1
04-08-2005, 12:36 PM
J/W but why don't you run flat-tops and cross-over steering instead of inverted T?

nate
04-09-2005, 07:42 AM
Ok here's the pics. I think I will get the JKS bracket and the sway bar links, run the YJ junk on the top of the knuckles. I've got to do some searching and see how people set that up.

The angles are about perfect with under the knuckle, but I think the tie rod is a bit low. I've hit my old setup a few times, so I'm sure I will do the same with this setup unless I move it up.

http://www.98jeepzj.com/MVC-183F.JPG

http://www.98jeepzj.com/MVC-184F.JPG

http://www.98jeepzj.com/MVC-185F.JPG

AprilzWarrior
04-09-2005, 10:24 AM
The JKS OVER AXLE BRACKET (OAB) is pretty easy to install, its pre bend, with a little extra length on the bottom (where its welded to the tube) and can be shortened to fit with out any problems. I installed one on Cue Ball's D30.



As for sway bar links, you can just build your own.. I do out of 1/2" Plate...

http://fototime.com/CE911A34B048DA4/standard.jpg



AW

ELLLLLIOTTTTT
04-09-2005, 11:06 AM
i'd like to see pics of Cue's steering setup. I'm currently trying to decide what to do with my HP30. I'm thinking WJ knuckles, JKS tie rod and drag link among other things.

nate
04-09-2005, 04:51 PM
AW, yeah I may just build some like you did. I haven't looked into the cost of them, for just a few $$, easier to buy, but if they are pricey, I'll just make some. I have some 3/8" plate somewhere, I'll probably use that.

Puma, that would work I'd imagine. I'm trying to keep my setup cheap, easy to replace, but yet still strong. I think this will work out since I have spare parts, and YJ stuff is easy to find being alot of people ditch it for a high steer setup. The tie rod is solid, the draglink isn't though. I may sleeve it with a pipe to give it more strength.

nate
04-11-2005, 03:15 PM
Does anyone have pics with the over the axle bracket installed with the steering in place?

At this point I'm almost thinking of going with the 1 ton stuff actually. I don't know though. I've never seen a Jeep TRE break actually, and I have like 10 or 15 of them.

The only thing is if I decide it isn't going to work, but knuckles won't be able to get reamed. I guess I could use different knuckles though... hmmm decisions....

I priced out the 1 ton stuff and the TREs are going to be around $150 for the decent quality stuff.

nate
04-16-2005, 06:47 PM
Should I run 1.25x.025 or 1 1/8"x0.219 for tie rod, etc??

chadjans
04-16-2005, 08:19 PM
1 1/18 219 wall. Easier to workaround stuff

nate
04-17-2005, 06:31 AM
For the drag link, who was saying to use just 1 high misalignment end??

chadjans
04-17-2005, 02:15 PM
You only need one high misalingment. Two is uneccessary. Two puts too much uneffective zone in the system. I just haven't searched for part numbers for an alternative.

Chad

nate
04-17-2005, 04:33 PM
How about using a ES2234R (one at the driver's side) in the draglink too? So you'd have 1 high misalignment (2027L) and the 2234R for the draglink. Put the 2027 at the pitman arm, where you need the movement, and the other at the tie rod.

I think what I'm going to do is buy the taps, both of them are like $120 total, so that way I can make whatever I need and I'll have them if someone else decided to do this setup. I'm gonna see if I can get DOM locally to save on shipping too. I will probably got with 1.25x.025 instead of the 1.125x.219 just the the added strength. GOR did his setup with 1.5" and it seemed to clear things fairly well.

chadjans
04-18-2005, 12:04 AM
He went under the knuckle IRC