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Nordic1
01-09-2005, 03:40 AM
I figure I could post this here although feel free to moce it if it should go else-where. I'm going to be editing this/ adding a bunch of stuff the next few days but I got the initial post up so people could take a better look at Ty's stuff




RockControl.com ~ Quality ZJ parts since 2004

http://www.fototime.com/%7B7A9EC3C1-F766-4574-9196-CC7C2603954A%7D/picture.JPG

Haha just kidding. This last Saturday I visited Ty (RockControl.com) and I wanted to give you guys a better look at his suspension. I guess I'll start this off with a few pics of his ZJ.

http://www.fototime.com/%7BE24E855F-3EEF-4C3D-92C9-1672F9842314%7D/picture.JPG
http://www.fototime.com/%7BBD0D7520-3F2B-4AB2-A019-96CAEB02E676%7D/picture.JPG
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http://www.fototime.com/%7B5C2C953D-C35A-44BA-8AFB-9C4A3AA98F37%7D/picture.JPG
http://www.fototime.com/%7BBCB50CC1-5F32-47DD-86B2-0ECA8182FE28%7D/picture.JPG

How sweet is that?

Well his production suspension will be radius arms up front and double triangulated 4 link in the rear. Here's some pics of the front (the front of his is different than what production kits will be).

http://www.fototime.com/%7B11B8DBCA-E1E4-4234-B0E4-16CAFAC8CC97%7D/picture.JPG

Sorry bad angle in this foto but you can kind of see his LCAs.

http://www.fototime.com/%7BC98BCA80-EA59-400C-840A-1F1106A28DB3%7D/picture.JPG
http://www.fototime.com/%7B2BFBB5D7-0A0D-4243-8287-29ED4D453D46%7D/picture.JPG
http://www.fototime.com/%7B3221B69D-5FAC-4D30-A994-9BA6E11661C2%7D/picture.JPG
http://www.fototime.com/%7B11B8DBCA-E1E4-4234-B0E4-16CAFAC8CC97%7D/picture.JPG

Production kits will use 2x2x1/4" box tubing with Johnny Joints and Boulder Bushings. If you wanted to use different joints or thicker/thinner box, then I am sure you could work something out with Ty.

The LCA mounts are REALLY trick. Each LCA bracket is 3 pieces that are water cut out of 1/4" plate. The 3 pieces interlock with each other and then mount to a plate. Dirk has some good pics of the brackets... be prepared your jaw might drop.

And now for the belly skid. It's a single piece of 1/4" that's bent in a few places. 4 grade 8 bolts secure it on either side and 4 more on the rear cross-member where the 4 link mounts.

http://www.fototime.com/%7BF6B0D638-D224-48E5-8748-655055C44771%7D/picture.JPG
http://www.fototime.com/%7BDA67476B-BBE2-44A9-A1BE-4B1CFF747D72%7D/picture.JPG
http://www.fototime.com/%7B25B3FBC2-032A-4333-AB49-8A32D7801B76%7D/picture.JPG
http://www.fototime.com/%7BC54B9EA7-13FF-44E5-80F6-4BADFF917B6C%7D/picture.JPG

And then for the rear... double triangulated 4 link. Just like the front, it's made with 2x2x1/4", Johnny Joints and Boulder Bushings.


http://www.fototime.com/%7B2AD066D8-97A3-444B-B159-4FA4EB4A6827%7D/picture.JPG
http://www.fototime.com/%7B19DF7D30-2FDD-47E8-A565-4FFF2EAD6DDE%7D/picture.JPG
http://www.fototime.com/%7BF8B875E5-D305-4941-A6EC-D990DC566D03%7D/picture.JPG
http://www.fototime.com/%7BC45AACBA-BD6F-4466-A5AF-16E5809C730F%7D/picture.JPG
Yes that's a heim, it's what Ty is currently using but he will be using a JJ there for production kits.

Lastly some poser-pics


http://www.fototime.com/%7B5BA0354C-00C0-4877-B412-46D8EF7B1FE6%7D/picture.JPG
http://www.fototime.com/%7B2C365000-15C7-4AD5-A724-9BBD53F63F9B%7D/picture.JPG
http://www.fototime.com/%7BAE465387-961F-4813-A420-AC90142A6273%7D/picture.JPG

We spent a little time wheeling about just outside of Chico... although it was wet and cold... and there wasn't much to wheel on... we still managed to have a bit of fun. Ty's jeep is armed with a lunchbox-locked hp44 and a detroit'ed 9". The suspension seemed like butter driving up and over (and through) rocks, streams and hill-climbs.

http://www.fototime.com/%7B023C3610-9483-4A29-8815-EA3058C7479A%7D/picture.JPG
http://www.fototime.com/%7BB6C74A3B-7D47-4171-9C9A-390A3F911695%7D/picture.JPG
http://www.fototime.com/%7BE27D1EAE-4D36-45A7-BA6F-E1AB9A0EDD56%7D/picture.JPG
http://www.fototime.com/%7BEBEE9605-07F0-41EF-83E0-95DFE39175E6%7D/picture.JPG

I did manage to drive the jeep a little bit. The double triangulated rear suspension creates little or NO body roll. I honestly believe Ty has less body roll with no sway bars than mine does with sway bars. Ty greatly impressed me with his knowlage of suspension and the amount of thought he put into his kit.

You can find the rest of my pics here:

http://www.fototime.com/inv/79A9756EDDB24EA

Enjoy!
-Chase

ggruszynski
01-09-2005, 12:08 PM
Oh yeah, does it utilize the stock front cross-member, or does it come with a new one? Drive fairly nice on the street?

Nordic1
01-09-2005, 01:36 PM
It comes with a band new cross-member that is very stout (hell it's made of 1/4"). The jeep, even sway-bar-less, drove very nice on the street.

nathan
01-09-2005, 03:45 PM
did you give him a hummer too? wow you guys like him!

ggruszynski
01-09-2005, 07:14 PM
Brand new front and rear, or just rear?

ggruszynski
01-09-2005, 07:18 PM
I really think he should post a pic of it flexed out, as Kraqa does, sans shocks, to see just what it's potential is. That should either silence the critics, or???

Gabe

AprilzWarrior
01-09-2005, 09:28 PM
Dirk-Chase


Where are the flex shots ? Not the poser manhole pics.

Cue-Ball
01-09-2005, 10:26 PM
I will have my pictures uploaded in the morning, I have not looked at all of Chase's pictures yet and to be honest I do not think I got any good flex shots myself, I was riding while chase was out taking pictures.

I will be posting all my comments sometime tomorrow.

NorthernZJ
01-09-2005, 10:39 PM
FLEX SHOTS! I thought mallcrawlin.com was supposed to be the hardcore site but I guess flex shots without breaklines, shocks, and anything else which limits flex is what people want to see. I'll be at the shop Monday working and I'll take a few flex shots on something for everybody who wants to see it flex.

However, I fail to understand why people seem to think it wouldn't flex well. When was the last time you saw a long arm suspension have trouble with enough flex? When was the last time when you can say flex is what limited you from going over something, what about the lockers, gears, and horsepower?

Anyway, for the people who want to jugde a suspension system by a flex shot, regardless of how well it drives on the street, the amount of abuse it can take, and the places it will get you off pavment I'll post one Monday night. :D

Cheers,
Ty

Nordic1
01-10-2005, 02:15 AM
did you give him a hummer too? wow you guys like him!

Huh?




When we were out there it was like 40-50 ish and rainy... not to mention that there were like NO big rocks out there. When I get a chance, and Ty is willing, I'll head back up there and we'll hunt down some big rocks to flex on. I'll also e-mail Ty and see if he has any good money shots.




*edit* looks like Ty had a chacne to chime in before I finished typing this up

deadman
01-10-2005, 07:43 AM
FLEX SHOTS! I thought mallcrawlin.com was supposed to be the hardcore site but I guess flex shots without breaklines, shocks, and anything else which limits flex is what people want to see. I'll be at the shop Monday working and I'll take a few flex shots on something for everybody who wants to see it flex.

LOL... chill. No need to rip out shocks or anything. Its just that the only pic where your ZJ flexes really well, you got people hanging on the side. And in one of the new pics, it looks like (don't really know if it really does) like one tire is catching air, in a small flexing position. Thats why we're wondering how well it flex.

I know flex isn't all that matters, but it helps. If I wouldn't care for flex, and only about lockers and horsepower, then I would be driving a Touareg.

That your kit looks like it can take any abuse, you heard from a lot of people already. That it handles great on the road, is also good!

So what I am trying to say is (not always easy when english is your second language)... Nobody here wants to trash your kit. I mean when people saw the first pics of your kit, they were holding back on ordering clayton's... that already says a lot. We're just curious about some things.

OverkillZJ
01-10-2005, 10:52 AM
Ty,


Sorry, but I understand perfectly well why people want to see some flex shots before dropping a couple grand on a suspension sysem.

Cue-Ball
01-10-2005, 11:46 AM
Okay here goes, I hope I can relay all the information I got while visiting with Ty over the weekend and not sound like I have my head up my ass.

First off THANK you Ty for letting Chase and I take up your entire Saturday, I really appreciate it.

I am by no means a suspension expert not even an amature really, so keep that in mind as you read.

Here are a few pix of Ty's shop, although he does not have a lift like AW does, he does have a lathe where he machines his own parts as well as a tubing notcher (sp.) for all the tubing work he and his partner Brian do.

http://www.fototime.com/{DF014FF0-B092-4E6B-AA2D-463BDD24F36E}/picture.JPG

http://www.fototime.com/{CB51AFD5-4FD9-4A16-83BC-E3C43D47DF01}/picture.JPG

I was impressed with Ty's knowledge of suspension geometry and the fact that his engineering background is very evident in both his product and in the way he describes why he did something the way he did. He does not just do something for no reason right or wrong he puts though behind everything he does.

It was a little difficult to make a final decision on his system as he is running a three link in the front and the production kits will be radius arms, so the feel was a little different.

The kit really does look like pure quality, the parts are professionally cut and assembled. The water jet process makes the 1/4" steel look like it was cut out with a razor knife it is so nice.

Here is a picture of the LCA mounts that Chase mentioned earlier, you can see the interlocking tabs.

http://www.fototime.com/{FBFEE348-CC60-4ED5-8BBA-DE6C411A580A}/picture.JPG

http://www.fototime.com/{B18C9428-5D05-4D1E-8193-2C427799F1F6}/picture.JPG

The lower arms are constructed out of 2x2x1/4" steel while the uppers are 1.5x1.5x1/8", Ty says is anyone bends one of his arms he will build you a new one for free and build it so that you will never bend it the second time.

Ty was very open about things that he will be improving on in the prioduction versions such as the use of the heim joints he has on his Jeep, those will be replaced with JJ to provide a quieter ride. He also shared how he will be welding things up a little different in the future aslo.

Most of all the work I saw looked really high quality, the welds looked good, and there was thought into every aspect of the suspension.

The one place that I realized looked a little off was the LCA mounting points in the rear, I did not get a chance to ask Ty about them but in this picture you can see the LCA mount is pointing straight ahead and the LCA is angted inward. Would it not be better to angle the mount as well so that the mounting pioing of the arm is inline with the arm??

http://www.fototime.com/{BB43AB3F-EE6B-4358-9B25-E8C3FD2BA0D8}/picture.JPG

So now off to take this baby for a drive.

It was cold as hell but we still had a GREAT time. The Jeep was a little loose on the way out to the trail but the tires were down aroun 10psi, we were able to make it out and Ty drove us around for quit some time, the Jeep handled very well off road, it was very graceful while climbing hills and remarkably quiet as far as the suspension goes, none of the popping and cluncking I am used to hearing.

As far as the flex goes I think one thing that might be contributing to the limit of Ty's flex is the fact that his rear springs are retained on both ends so he can only flex as far as the spring can stretch. Like has been mentioned before flex is not the only thing that makes or breaks a vehicle.

The question of the shorter upper arms did come up and although the pinion angle might change due to having different length arms it will only change slightly and only for a few seconds and usually under slow speed. So any change will have hardly no effect on the driveline, the other thing to consider is that if you have a proper driveline, like a Double Cardon you will not need to worry at all about the slight angle change. Ty runs a 1350 1-ton drive shaft and it seemed to be the right choice.

I think the other factors that helped this Jeep preform off road was the gears, lockers, and 4.6 stroker he has under the hood.

So after we were done playing in the dirt we headed to the gas station to fill up the tires and then take it for some street driving, it was my turn to drive and let me tell you the stroker is the way to go, man is it fun. The Jeep had quit a bit of body roll to tell you the truth in moderate cornering it was leaning pretty good, but that is because he has NO sway bars, if he were to add one to the rear only I think it would make a huge difference and still not effect off road ride that much.

From a dead stop and punching it the Jeep stays flat the back end does not squat at all and under hard breaking it again stays pretty flat, breaking is a breeze with the 1-ton master cylinder he has on there.

Ty also hyas hydro assist from a Corvette, I have to tell the truth here I had a tough time getting used to the feel of the steering, infact I would almost say I did not really like it that much, but it did make the steering feel like butter 100% of the time so it dod work the way it was suppose to, it was just difficult for me to keep the vehicle straight as you did not feel the road in the wheel at all.

So what is the bottom line??

I am sold on the stroker engine for sure!!!!
I think I will personally stay away from Hydro steering
I would say I am 90% convinced to go with this set up on my Jeep. I know Ty is installing one for a guy here in the Bay Area later this month and I might try to go up there that day to see the finished product as that will be the true first production version and I would very much like to ride in a more real world Jeep before I am 100%
I am 1000% convinced I will be leaving the top and doors ON my Jeep :D

Here is a link to the rest of my pictures so you can check them out.
http://www.fototime.com/inv/2BC84E0E88EBF1D

NorthernZJ
01-10-2005, 03:34 PM
I should have that flex shot coming soon. Sorry about the rant! I was hoping people would laugh at it!

About the flex shot where there are people standing on the back of it. That photo was at the Rubicon on the Wentworth Springs side and that rock looked like a good place to flex out. However, you can't see it in the photo but it was kinda off camber and it didn't work very well as a flex test spot. That is why my buddies mike and brian are standing on the back.

I also have my rear coils captured on both sides. The rear coil post is really way to short in the back and I had the rear coils poping out all the time. I didn't like the idea of just welding some tube in to make it longer so I machined a part and captured the spring at the top. I really like having the spring captured on both ends. The rear end only has about 30% of the weight of the jeep on it. The center of mass is really close to the front, pretty much right about at where the steering wheel is along the length.

With the jeep being front heavy I like having the coil spring in the back captured on both ends because the spring works in both directions. In a situation where the rear end would unload all they way and become unstable the spring helps to pull it back to the ground.

Before I had the spring captured on both ends and when I was using Clayton's kit I had a couple times where I would be going downhill on an off camber section and have the rear tire pop 3-4 feet off the ground measured from the bottom of the tire to the ground. It never quite flopped but it sure could have. I've got a photo of one time at an OHV park in Sacramento where it happend.

I really wanted the chassis to stay level with respect to the ground while the suspension is flexing over stuff. If you think about it the whole sport of rockcrawling is really trying to control your center of mass and keeping quick changes to the position of your center of mass limited.

Anyway... I've got to get going... I'll have photos tonight.

Ty

zjnick
01-10-2005, 05:16 PM
are both crossmembers removable? Say if you had to get the tranny or t-case out??

chadjans
01-10-2005, 11:38 PM
Why the hell would you go from a long three link front to radius arms?

NorthernZJ
01-11-2005, 12:29 AM
Both x-members can be removed, however, you also need to remove the belly skid to get at them.

About the radius arm front for production kits. I have never tested my custom 3-link on a stock style front suspension and I don't have a design for a production system.

I used it on my jeep because it was easier than using a radius arm font. I've got a leaf spring setup D44 from an F250. It is a little bigger in width than the D44 from a bronco/F150. When we installed it I wanted to squeeze all the approch angle I could get out of it. I also wanted to push the COG more towards the center of the wheelbase. I had to move the steering box 3-4 inches forward to account for this, which means the stock radiator is too big to fit in the front, etc....

I really want people who read these jeep boards to know that I care about quality and detail. I'm half Italian and I understand that function follows form. If you want it to function well its physical form must make sence. I design all the parts in CAD, tweek, adjust, and struggle with their form. This suspension isn't something I wanted to rush.

I took some flex photos on a rock by my shop but they don't look that cool. I'm going to take it down to a local 4x4 shop and get it on a ramp because that is better standard for people to measure it by. Rocks are harder to tell how is stacks up to trucks.

Cheers,
Ty

AprilzWarrior
01-11-2005, 12:58 AM
I see that he runs a Cherry Bomb, With a double triangulation in the rear does it leave any room for exhaust ? OTHER than the blasted Cherry bomb.

As for wanting Flex shots ? You Must be kidding...


AW


PS nice lathe !

chadjans
01-11-2005, 12:59 AM
Numerically a three link front "flexes" better than a radius arm setup and has no binding. I am just intrigued to as why you would get rid of a better of one setup in favor of another if "function follows form." Not ragging on you Ty, I just think the three link is better and is what you should offer in your kit.

AprilzWarrior
01-11-2005, 01:03 AM
FLEX SHOTS!

However, I fail to understand why people seem to think it wouldn't flex well.

Anyway, for the people who want to jugde a suspension system by a flex shot, regardless of how well it drives on the street, the amount of abuse it can take, and the places it will get you off pavment I'll post one Monday night. :D

Cheers,
Ty


Its called suspension cycle, thats what Im interested in.


:roll:


monday night come and gone....

JeepinHank
01-11-2005, 10:48 AM
I took some flex photos on a rock by my shop but they don't look that cool. I'm going to take it down to a local 4x4 shop and get it on a ramp because that is better standard for people to measure it by. Rocks are harder to tell how is stacks up to trucks.

snarfer86
01-11-2005, 12:23 PM
I took some flex photos on a rock by my shop but they don't look that cool. I'm going to take it down to a local 4x4 shop and get it on a ramp because that is better standard for people to measure it by. Rocks are harder to tell how is stacks up to trucks.

were geting some serious rain here today so i doubt hell do anything today :? especialy in a buggy

gearhead313
01-11-2005, 03:53 PM
hummmm....all im reading in this thread are excuses. not good

Cue-Ball
01-11-2005, 05:53 PM
Why not give Ty a break guys, he is a full time college student afterall, and Jeep suspension is not his primary focus.

Ty seemed like a great guy when I met with him and did not seem like he was full of excuses about anything. He was very knowledgeable and I am sure he will get the flex shots when he can.

NorthernZJ
01-12-2005, 01:49 AM
Here are the flex shots ya'll wanted. That is a 30 degree ramp in the photos. You can see that the tires are at a full 30 psi, all the shocks are connected, the rear springs are captured at the top and the center limit straps are on both the front and rear axle. I also haven't tuned the setup to flex. I could get more if I moved my rear shock upper mount about 2 inches up to adjust for the fact that I've moved the lower shock mount up. But really, enough is enough, you see where people in yotas on leaf springs go. I'm happy.

Also, I have to agree with Dirk(Cue-Ball), posting on jeep boards isn't the only thing I worry about. I might take longer than the hack 4x4 people to bang it out but I get the job done to a better level of quality and detail.

I'm also trying to sell this product for less $$$ so people can get the part they need to have fun without breaking the bank. Clayton's TJ double-tri kit sells for $2000 without a belly skid. I don't want to strike it rich off of you guys. You can't make everybody 100% happy, if you want quick call Kevin, if you want quality call Clayton, and if you want better quality and less money call me. :-)

http://www.rockcontrol.com/flex1.JPG
http://www.rockcontrol.com/flex2.JPG
http://www.rockcontrol.com/flex3.JPG
http://www.rockcontrol.com/flex4.JPG
http://www.rockcontrol.com/flex5.JPG
http://www.rockcontrol.com/flex6.JPG
http://www.rockcontrol.com/flex7.JPG

OverkillZJ
01-12-2005, 04:26 AM
Looks good. Looks very good.

To all: when a new product is being discussed on the boards, don't take it so personally. It has been and will always be opinions in here, you're not going to like what everyone has to say, or wants to see.

Matt

ggruszynski
01-12-2005, 08:34 AM
Looks damn good for retained springs, shocks, and limit straps!

Gabe

nate
01-12-2005, 12:14 PM
Thanks for the pics Ty. Alot better to see the flex on that ramp then on the rock in the pic on your webpage.

When do you plan on having a true production kit available? I would be interested in seeing pics of the install that will be done in a few weeks.

Question... the uppers are 4" shorter than the lowers... how far apart are these mounts?

http://www.wheelingadventures.com/Northern4x4/iB_html/uploads/post-4-51178-Image1.jpg

NorthernZJ
01-12-2005, 05:28 PM
Hello,

The uppers are like 10 inches shorter than the lowers. About pinion angle change, you can look at the flex photos and see that the pinion angle isn't bad even when flexing. I really don't think anybody is going to have a problem with pinion angle change. However, I would also say that a CV rear shaft is a must have. The distance in the cad shot you posted is about 12 inches.

Ty

deadman
01-12-2005, 05:57 PM
I want to thank you for letting the guys visit you and taking your time to answering all their questions. Also for going out and looking for a ramp to take pics for us.

This is good flex!

So what we got now?
It rides smooth on the road and offroad, it flexes well, it looks beefy, and it has a affordable pricetag.

Nice work!

Nordic1
01-12-2005, 06:03 PM
speaking of price... when did Clayton's become $1700.00?

OverkillZJ
01-12-2005, 06:12 PM
speaking of price... when did Clayton's become $1700.00?

I think the 4 link rear version always has been, and that's not the min. price since he doesn't sell the 5 link kit any more.

Cue-Ball
01-12-2005, 09:31 PM
Great pix Ty, my 90% buy just went to 100%.

Keep me posted on the Bay Area install I want to come and get pix for the gang on it and help out if I can.

Dirk

AprilzWarrior
01-13-2005, 01:50 AM
Dirk-Chase,
Those were the pictures I was looking for....


TY,
Looks good ;) really. The flex on the ramp is much more defined than the rock you were on. Great photo shots as well. I was really concerned with pinion angles and binding.

You have a built up 9" with mounts on top of it, BUT what are you going to do for the guys that do not have that. You have a truss design yet ?


Will the Upper Rear Arms ever contact the Drive Shaft under hard flex OR say bounce ? There is another Trilink on the market that does contact the DS, and this is why I ask. And yes I know your is Triangulated not Trilinked.


Thanks
AW

Cue-Ball
01-13-2005, 02:03 AM
I hear ya AW, we let you down on the pic side.

AprilzWarrior
01-14-2005, 11:26 AM
I hear ya AW, we let you down on the pic side.


I got to see lots of pics of you in Chase's photos... lol


:lol:

Cue-Ball
01-14-2005, 12:00 PM
Yea I am not quite as camera shy as you are. :lol:

Nordic1
01-14-2005, 04:33 PM
I hear ya AW, we let you down on the pic side.


I got to see lots of pics of you in Chase's photos... lol


:lol:

I took pics of the heep, jerk

nate
02-02-2005, 04:15 PM
Well I just put a down payment on a LA kit. Ty said 2-3 weeks to have it done... we shall see as there have been "issues" with shipping times for another person on this board.

Cue-Ball
02-02-2005, 04:43 PM
Congrats Nate.

Please keep me posted if I need to I can run up to his shop to kick him around if he does not deliver for you.

ggruszynski
02-02-2005, 05:05 PM
Mine should be shipped within the week.

nate
02-08-2005, 02:28 PM
Well I sent Ty a downpayment and he emailed me saying that he isn't going to puts kits together anymore, but he will be doing parts kits. Bascially you supply the steel for the arms, subframe and all the joints. He supplies the skid, crossmembers and all the tabs, brackets, etc.
Still discussing the price, he was supposed to get back to me on Sunday or Monday and that hasn't happened.

OverkillZJ
02-08-2005, 02:47 PM
Well I sent Ty a downpayment and he emailed me saying that he isn't going to puts kits together anymore, but he will be doing parts kits. Bascially you supply the steel for the arms, subframe and all the joints. He supplies the skid, crossmembers and all the tabs, brackets, etc.
Still discussing the price, he was supposed to get back to me on Sunday or Monday and that hasn't happened.


WTF

ggruszynski
02-08-2005, 03:26 PM
He basically told me the same thing. I offered him a little more moolah just to get it done as I think it's a good price anyways. If he can't do it, I guess I'll be ordering Clayton's arms.... again.

Gabe

nate
02-08-2005, 03:39 PM
Hadn't you sold your kit to get Ty's??

Ty just emailed me and he said he will have the parts kit shipped out in 2 weeks, and my downpayment will cover it.

MaineZJ
02-08-2005, 03:40 PM
Seems like just another reason to buy Clayton's to me

nate
02-08-2005, 03:56 PM
Well if this all works out, it will be around $600 cheaper than Claytons.

OverkillZJ
02-08-2005, 03:57 PM
Well if this all works out, it will be around $600 cheaper than Claytons.

I actually like the idea of a "kit" with the hard to find parts. I was just hoping there'd be another ready-to-go solution.

ggruszynski
02-08-2005, 05:09 PM
Yep, sold the Clayton's kit I had sitting in my garage and have actually paid Ty in full on this one.

Cue-Ball
02-08-2005, 05:29 PM
Well guys I have an email into Ty and will try to call him later today if I get a chance.

I guess I have to say I am sorry for recommending him and his kit, I thought he was pretty solid when Chase and I went up to see him. and we were talking about product and pricing. This really has me upset to be honest, I really liked the way his system worked and for me I was looking forward to a complete solution, I really did not want to go out and piece everything together.

All that being said I guess I will wait to hear from him and go from there. I too will have to go the Clayton's route I suppose, I was just really liked the fact that Ty is local to me and I could save on shipping and have him right here if I had any issues or anything in the future.

JeepinHank
02-08-2005, 05:53 PM
IMO - The rear suspension is a really innovative design, and the belly skid is something that no one else offers. That's what sold me on his stuff.

I only bought parts, and personally, I can see why he's not selling the entire suspension as a kit. The way his stuff goes together requires you to be really precise, and you can't just go out and mass produce it as a kit and expect it to fit for any and every ZJ.

Another issue is the length of your arms are really going to depend on your axle, where you put your mounts on the axle, and where you want to end up in terms of wheelbase. It would be almost impossible to build in enough adjustability to satisfy everyone, and still make it safe.

Also, to install this thing, (even as a kit) you're going to have to have a few specialty tools that a lot of do-it-yourselfers simply don't have. They're not all that expensive and it won't kill you to buy the tools (I don't have a problem buying tools), but I know some people would. Some might also want to be able to pay a 4x4 shop or a buddy to do the welding. Needing a lot of specialty tools may preclude their options.

All of that doesn't even consider the added expense for building the arms, or the additional fabrication time to assemble everything. I say added expense, because I personally know building the arms will cost a knot, and I know that Ty doesn't have the cash just lying around to front that cost. By only offering the parts, the buyer can go out and choose whatever components they want to use for their arms, and go as cheap or as expensive they want.

Ty set up SRC as a side business. I'm not knocking him for that - I'd like to have a side business dealing with Jeeps, but I know I don't have the time. He might have the time, but I don't think he was prepared for, or expecting the amount of, interest / orders he got. He might not have the time to build all of the kits that people are wanting. If he can save time by put together a set of parts, and still make this stuff available, then I say go for it.

Then you've got to think about shipping. Just the parts I ordered weighed 105 lbs. That was basically the x-members, skid, tubing inserts, and front LCA mounts. Throw in 40" of 4x6x.25 box tubing and 8 control arms, and you'd be looking at a hell of a shipping charge.

Ty offers a great plan for someone wanting to take a route other than Clayton's or RE or RK (if you feel like including them). It's just not something that you can expect to be ready to go right out of the box.

That's enough out of me - Peace!

Cue-Ball
02-08-2005, 06:01 PM
Very well said Hank. I agree that Ty probably got overwelmed with how much interest he got. And I know he is a college kid just trying to make a little extra green.

I don't knock him at all. The fact that I am local may be to my advantage anyway as I could probably hire him to build me a set of arms as I am in no hurry and he could beild them custom to my vehicle and my style.

nate
02-08-2005, 06:29 PM
Maybe I should clarify. I guess I used the wrong tone on that first post.

Ty emailed me and said I could go with a parts kit, or he could refund my money. I chose the parts kit.
He has quite a bit going on right now, and doesn't have the time to build the full kits as he explained in the email I got. He was upfront and honest about that.
Really I don't see it being that much extra work... it's just more "tuneability" for a cheaper cost.

I'll post up in a couple weeks once I get the parts... do a little product review or something.

Cue-Ball
02-08-2005, 06:31 PM
Don't get me wrong I think all in all Ty was a great guy and I think he is a very upfront and honest person.

ggruszynski
02-08-2005, 07:09 PM
I agree! Heck, I even offered to send him more money to help out the starving college kid fund! :D I'd be willing to wait a little longer if needs be as well. Guess I'll hopefully hear from him soon.

Gabe

Jim311
02-08-2005, 10:36 PM
To be honest I'm not exactly surprised that the kits weren't mass produced. It's not easy to get the knowledge and connections it takes to assemble complete kits, or even the time that it takes to deal with problems that arise since not all Jeeps are exactly the same. I can't think of many lift kits I've ever installed where fit and finish was PERFECT right out of the box. I'm pretty sure this guy didn't really know what he had on his plate, and it seems like everyone sorta rushed him into producing something he probably wasn't even planning on making for quite some time. It looked pretty solid to me, but you can't really expect the guy to have nearly the tech support, time, or equiptment of big companies like Claytons and RE. That's the largest reason I wasn't even considering this kit as an option, at least until a few other guinea pigs had tried it out and made sure that not only the customer service was good, but that the kit was good as well. I didn't see any HUGE advatanges of some of the other setups, but the belly skid was pretty trick. I'm still interested to see what all his "parts" kit entails.

OverkillZJ
02-08-2005, 10:54 PM
Remember: Clayton was no one 4 years ago. He built his business customer by customer. I think I was LA kit number 20ish, who knows how many he's sold at this point.

Jim311
02-08-2005, 11:17 PM
Remember: Clayton was no one 4 years ago. He built his business customer by customer. I think I was LA kit number 20ish, who knows how many he's sold at this point.

No doubt.. everybody starts somewhere!

Nordic1
02-09-2005, 01:41 AM
VonZipper needs to chime in... he's installing the kit right now.

Vonzipper
02-09-2005, 02:28 AM
I'll chime in on this one, Yes I am installing a RC system right now, I would have to agree with Hank on this one, as for the kit and the install, it's coming along nicely, I am in the business so not a major undertaking maybe if I was flatbacking it I may think different. I would have liked the kit to be more complete but I pushed to get the install moving and recieved parts that needed to be welded together, no problem, as for the quality of the parts, I have seen none better, TY did his homework with respect to the way the pieces go together, I think my kit is number 2 so I have no problem with some adjustment. I guess we'll all know in a couple of days how it turns out, aprilzwarrior stopped by the shop today, Thanks for the input

nate
02-09-2005, 03:53 PM
Actually I emailed Ty after I found the site (rockcontrol.com) and asked if he was making the LA kits. He emailed back and said "yes". After a bunch of Q&A sessions by email and phone, I decided to purchase one.

Now he gave me the option to get a refund, or to go with a parts kit.

Clayton has a good customer base now, but like Matt said, look just a few years back when his kits just came out.

The parts kit.... what Ty told me is it is everything but the arms, the subframe and the Johnny Joints/rubber joints. I did some rough math, and after I purchasing everything, I will be saving about $600 compared to if I bought Clayton's kit. That isn't factoring my time though. I enjoy wrenching, so I couldn't charge myself anyhow.

Nate


To be honest I'm not exactly surprised that the kits weren't mass produced. It's not easy to get the knowledge and connections it takes to assemble complete kits, or even the time that it takes to deal with problems that arise since not all Jeeps are exactly the same. I can't think of many lift kits I've ever installed where fit and finish was PERFECT right out of the box. I'm pretty sure this guy didn't really know what he had on his plate, and it seems like everyone sorta rushed him into producing something he probably wasn't even planning on making for quite some time. It looked pretty solid to me, but you can't really expect the guy to have nearly the tech support, time, or equiptment of big companies like Claytons and RE. That's the largest reason I wasn't even considering this kit as an option, at least until a few other guinea pigs had tried it out and made sure that not only the customer service was good, but that the kit was good as well. I didn't see any HUGE advatanges of some of the other setups, but the belly skid was pretty trick. I'm still interested to see what all his "parts" kit entails.

MaineZJ
02-09-2005, 04:07 PM
so he's selling the 2 crossmembers and a belly pan?

Cue-Ball
02-09-2005, 04:47 PM
I'll chime in on this one, Yes I am installing a RC system right now, I would have to agree with Hank on this one, as for the kit and the install, it's coming along nicely, I am in the business so not a major undertaking maybe if I was flatbacking it I may think different. I would have liked the kit to be more complete but I pushed to get the install moving and recieved parts that needed to be welded together, no problem, as for the quality of the parts, I have seen none better, TY did his homework with respect to the way the pieces go together, I think my kit is number 2 so I have no problem with some adjustment. I guess we'll all know in a couple of days how it turns out, aprilzwarrior stopped by the shop today, Thanks for the input

Be sure to post up some pix of it when you get it completed.

Jim311
02-09-2005, 10:08 PM
so he's selling the 2 crossmembers and a belly pan?

Yeah, seems like there's going to be a lot of fabrication involved. :?

ggruszynski
02-09-2005, 10:11 PM
If that's the case, I'd need a full refund, but I'll wait to hear from him first.

nate
02-10-2005, 02:10 PM
Good luck getting ahold of him.

As for the parts kit, it's everything but the arms, subframe and joints... so all the brackets, etc.

ggruszynski
02-10-2005, 03:45 PM
Well, just heard from Ty and I think he's going to make good and try to help people out that are waiting/ wanting parts.

nate
02-10-2005, 09:19 PM
Yeah, same here. So far there are at least 3 people I know waiting for the kit.

AprilzWarrior
02-11-2005, 01:50 AM
so he's selling the 2 crossmembers and a belly pan?

Yeah, seems like there's going to be a lot of fabrication involved. :?


rant on...

Understatement of the year !!!

Ok, I saw the "kit" myself in person...

RC's Lets start with my thoughts, the box that sleeves the frame is very nice looking, it leaves pleaty of room for welding, and will not tear off. EVER. The crossmembers are cleanly made, and excellent welding procedure... The Front Crossmember has the mounts prewelded to it, thats done for you. The Rear Crossmember has the Lower mounts welded to it ONLY... the Upper Mounts are in pieces that need to be welded to the Frame Sleeves in a "grey area" of position, you have to sorta guess where the go.

The rear Xmember is damn close to the TC, so there are clearance issues with the skid, meaning... the predrilled holes in the Skid will not line up correctly with the rear Xmember. So new holes needed to be drilled. On top of that, you have to drill and Tap your own holes into the Rear Xmember, because this is not done prior to shipment.

Just a visual, but without buying the skid plate, the rear Xmember would tear apart from the body.. The Skid ties the Xmember together.
Also, this kit hang just as low as Claytons, if not lower !!


Here is the tasty part... you have to build your own ARMS... nice ? What is shipped it raw Square Tube, and joints with couplers JUST LIKE CLAYTONS comes but all welded. SO, you must install the subframe, then set it down under full weight and then measure for control arm length... Thats not a KIT IMO..(didnt Legos do the same thing ? send out a box that need like 2weeks to figure out ?)

This is not for the light hearted... lots of fab work is involved... Drill Press, Welding and experienced welder is needed... It would not be so bad if the control arms where pre made, then it would be like Claytons... just install it. This is not an EZ kit by any means...

Your still left without a Front Trac bar, (unless you already had one) and just how do you feel about welding together the johnny joints onto Thread, then weld the thread into a piece of square tubing ? How about just getting a measurement in the first place...




rant off...



AW

nate
02-11-2005, 10:02 AM
AW.. give Ty a call and he will answer your questions better than we can. The only info I know is from Ty, as I haven't seen the parts in person.

JJs: http://www.currieenterprises.com/cestore/Product.aspx?id=1265

AprilzWarrior
02-12-2005, 12:08 AM
AW.. give Ty a call and he will answer your questions better than we can. The only info I know is from Ty, as I haven't seen the parts in person.

JJs: http://www.currieenterprises.com/cestore/Product.aspx?id=1265


You linked an outdated JJ... Currie now has BOMB ASS JJ's, and thats what TY shipped out...


and I dont have ANY questions... its more than appearant what is involved to me !


Thanks anyway...
AW

nate
02-12-2005, 04:41 AM
I called Currie, and that's the part number they gave me. No idea what "bomb ass" is.

It's obviously not "apparant" as what you posted isn't correct at all. I'm pretty sure I've explained the parts kits several times. Now I am going by what Ty told me... maybe he told you otherwise... dunno. I was trying to be polite and steer you in the right direction. I didn't feel like starting a pissing match, so thats why I said call Ty... but since you insist...

The parts kit is everything but the steel for the arms, subframe and joints. So you buy that stuff local and save money on the shipping. Weld the tube adapters to the arms, weld brackets Ty provides to front LCAs ... arms are done. Weld the UCA mounts to the subframe, weld subframe to Jeep. Weld brackets to rear axle. Alot less work involved than completely fabbing my own stuff and for a very fair price.

YES, there is more fab work than a "normal" kit. That's why it's a parts kit. Someone that's buying this shouldn't think it will just bolt on... I mean what decent LA kit bolts on anyway? I don't see why welding up a few things is such a problem.

I don't see why a front track bar is even an issue. If you want to get into that, what about coils, brakelines, swaybar discos, driveshafts, etc? Clayton's kit doesn't have this stuff either unless you get the actual lift kit he sells. Not hard for a person to order the stuff from the places anyhow. Figure alot of guys going to LAs already have some sort of lift on their Jeep... so all that stuff would be extra parts.

Anyhow Ty is building the full kits... so this doesn't really matter anymore.

AprilzWarrior
02-12-2005, 05:33 AM
I called Currie, and that's the part number they gave me. No idea what "bomb ass" is.

Its Curries new JJ... its really badass... understand that ?




It's obviously not "apparant" as what you posted isn't correct at all. I'm pretty sure I've explained the parts kits several times. Now I am going by what Ty told me...

Ummm OK, Im really happy you explained the Kit soooo many times... But Ive seen it and spend quite a few hours going over it myself and I stated my opinion... Claytons is STILL THE ONLY WAY TO GO. Unless someone fabs all there own stuff... Ive seen many homebrew kits that I liked. No one has touched Claytons when it comes to production kits...




The parts kit is everything but the steel for the arms, subframe and joints. So you buy that stuff local and save money on the shipping. Weld the tube adapters to the arms, weld brackets Ty provides to front LCAs ... arms are done. Weld the UCA mounts to the subframe, weld subframe to Jeep. Weld brackets to rear axle. Alot less work involved than completely fabbing my own stuff and for a very fair price.

YES, there is more fab work than a "normal" kit. That's why it's a parts kit. Someone that's buying this shouldn't think it will just bolt on... I mean what decent LA kit bolts on anyway? I don't see why welding up a few things is such a problem.

Then why buy a kit... there is enough fab work involved in this kit that someone should just go make there own anyway.




I don't see why a front track bar is even an issue. If you want to get into that, what about coils, brakelines, swaybar discos, driveshafts, etc? Clayton's kit doesn't have this stuff either unless you get the actual lift kit he sells. Not hard for a person to order the stuff from the places anyhow. Figure alot of guys going to LAs already have some sort of lift on their Jeep... so all that stuff would be extra parts..

it was only an example that I was refering too of a "kit".




Anyhow Ty is building the full kits... so this doesn't really matter anymore.


What you speak of still leaves someone measuring and build their own Control Arms ?

Am I just confused or is everyone affraid to speak up here ? Im not lying, just make sure that every one of us knows what they might purchase before the buy something uninformed...


nate... like me or not, Ill tell you truth.


AW

nate
02-12-2005, 08:15 AM
I called Currie, and that's the part number they gave me. No idea what "bomb ass" is.


Its Curries new JJ... its really badass... understand that ?

OK, the guy I talked to didn't mention that. I asked him if they sold 2 and 2.5" JJs with studs attached. He gave me the part # and price, which is the same on the webpage I found later on.




It's obviously not "apparant" as what you posted isn't correct at all. I'm pretty sure I've explained the parts kits several times. Now I am going by what Ty told me...


Ummm OK, Im really happy you explained the Kit soooo many times... But Ive seen it and spend quite a few hours going over it myself and I stated my opinion... Claytons is STILL THE ONLY WAY TO GO. Unless someone fabs all there own stuff... Ive seen many homebrew kits that I liked. No one has touched Claytons when it comes to production kits...

So you have seen the actual kit it sounds like? Like I'm saying, I'm just going by what Ty told me. There is 1 kit currently on a ZJ (vonzipper), JeepinHank has bascially a parts kit, then ggruszynski, 95ZJ and me are waiting for shipment of actual kits.
I'm not doubting Clayton's kit isn't great. If this doesn't work out, that's what I will order.



The parts kit is everything but the steel for the arms, subframe and joints. So you buy that stuff local and save money on the shipping. Weld the tube adapters to the arms, weld brackets Ty provides to front LCAs ... arms are done. Weld the UCA mounts to the subframe, weld subframe to Jeep. Weld brackets to rear axle. Alot less work involved than completely fabbing my own stuff and for a very fair price.

YES, there is more fab work than a "normal" kit. That's why it's a parts kit. Someone that's buying this shouldn't think it will just bolt on... I mean what decent LA kit bolts on anyway? I don't see why welding up a few things is such a problem.


Then why buy a kit... there is enough fab work involved in this kit that someone should just go make there own anyway.

Well for the price, I think it's not bad considering all the CNC cut brackets and bent parts you are getting. It's like buying the RE axle bracket kit instead of making it yourself. I don't know if I can explain it better than that.




I don't see why a front track bar is even an issue. If you want to get into that, what about coils, brakelines, swaybar discos, driveshafts, etc? Clayton's kit doesn't have this stuff either unless you get the actual lift kit he sells. Not hard for a person to order the stuff from the places anyhow. Figure alot of guys going to LAs already have some sort of lift on their Jeep... so all that stuff would be extra parts..


it was only an example that I was refering too of a "kit".

Yeah a full on 7" LA kit like Clayton does would be nice, but Ty is just starting out... Clayton just starting doing that maybe a year ago, and he's been in the LA game for several years now.



Anyhow Ty is building the full kits... so this doesn't really matter anymore.



What you speak of still leaves someone measuring and build their own Control Arms ?

I'm not sure why your saying that. For the parts kits, that the case, but the full kit has the stuff all built.. this is what Ty said anyhow. The only actual kit out there right now is on vonzippers (Scott) ZJ as far as I know. Ty kinda hand built that one as well and made some jigs at the same time to later expedite the process.
Scott sent me a short PM and said he was happy with the kit. I will call him later on here to find out more about.


Am I just confused or is everyone affraid to speak up here ? Im not lying, just make sure that every one of us knows what they might purchase before the buy something uninformed...



nate... like me or not, Ill tell you truth.

Never said I don't like you or your making stuff up. If you'd like to discuss more about this, want to give me a call?? I don't want this to be a pissing match and that's where it's leading on this board. I just want to get the facts straight.... I am just going by what Ty told me, nothing more. Anyhow, 907-830-2812.. or PM me your # and I can call.

AW

AprilzWarrior
02-12-2005, 12:26 PM
Well for the price, I think it's not bad considering all the CNC cut brackets and bent parts you are getting. It's like buying the RE axle bracket kit instead of making it yourself. I don't know if I can explain it better than that.

The subframe was plasma cut, or cut with a torch... it was not nearly as clean and the rest of the kit... The brackets all looked water jet cut.

Did I mention too about having to cut about 1FOOT off the subframe sleev because it was wayyy too long, this all leads me to believe that this is well thought out and poorly produced !





Ty kinda hand built that one as well and made some jigs at the same time to later expedite the process.



LOL, thats a whole other story but not mine to tell...




Never said I don't like you or your making stuff up. If you'd like to discuss more about this, want to give me a call?? I don't want this to be a pissing match and that's where it's leading on this board. I just want to get the facts straight.... I am just going by what Ty told me, nothing more. Anyhow, 907-830-2812.. or PM me your # and I can call.



I tried calling you Sat morn... but it went right to voice mail... Ill send you a PM tonight if I get a chance...


Thanks
AW

ggruszynski
02-12-2005, 01:13 PM
Other than the subframe, any other problems that you saw? All parts high quality? I hope to have mine in the next 10-14 days, so I'll take pics and post how it looks. Who's story is this to tell?

Gabe

OverkillZJ
02-12-2005, 01:20 PM
I love Claytons kit, but I wouldn't mind if there was another good option out there. It would sell, period.

HINT: I hope you're reading this Ty.

AprilzWarrior
02-12-2005, 01:25 PM
Who's story is this to tell?

Gabe


If that person feels the need to speak they can... otherwise...

AprilzWarrior
02-12-2005, 01:30 PM
I love Claytons kit, but I wouldn't mind if there was another good option out there. It would sell, period.

HINT: I hope you're reading this Ty.


I was very excited to see another "kit" out there too, but its has to be better put together than this...

Nordic1
02-12-2005, 01:43 PM
I don't know if Jerod posted it but he came by Scott's (vonzipper's) shop to help with the RC install. So Jerod's not pulling this out of his ass (although I think his.. er... all responces could be a little less heated).

Jim311
02-12-2005, 02:55 PM
Hmm.. for the price, I think I'd prefer to buy a kit that's already assembled and ready to go on with little or no fabrication involved. This "parts kit" appears to be just a few brackets to help get you on the way to fabricating your own longarm kit.

Cue-Ball
02-12-2005, 03:04 PM
Well thanks for all the info AW.

I guess I am back to ordering Clayton's when the time comes.

ggruszynski
02-12-2005, 03:09 PM
Talked to VonZipper and he had nothing bad to say about the kit. Think I'd rather spend a little extra time tweaking things if needs be to get a better long arm design myself.

Gabe

Vonzipper
02-12-2005, 03:49 PM
I dont post very much or get into debate's over who's kit is better, IMO their all good, some better then others, however, Ty's kit is a major improvement for my jeep, I took a long time deciding what kit to use or to just build my own, after realizing I just dont have the time to design and build my own. I called clayton's and had a preaty good deal worked out, also I descussed the double trianglulated rear and they told me that clayton was working on one himself, so, I havent seen it on his web site nor have I seen any write ups on it and that brought me to TY, I spent many hours looking at his system (and thats what your buying not the kit)
His rear suspension is far superior to "ANY" on the market, I have seen some great home built setups but none that I could buy.


When I bought my kit I wanted TY to leave my arm's uncut since I wanted to set my arm length myself, my jeep will be a DD so I wanted my center of gravity to be a bit lower, I used to be a fabracator years ago and when I saw the kit I was happy with what I had to work with, Total adjustibilty, the kit was designed on a CAD program and all the pickup points were ploted, good stuff. so off to the install, it was very straight forward, I actualy had fun doing it, no challenges at all the only change was to move the rear subframe back about a half an inch and by looking at TY's jeep I think it's where it was ment to be, all the brackets fit into each other, very cool, and it makes for no guess work. thats it everything else fell into their respective locations, we checked the jeeps torsional stiffness and it is a major improvement!!, no more wet cardboard box of a chassis.

All in all a good project, if your looking for a weekend install in your garage on your back, forget it but if your looking for total beef of a system then this for you. I'm looking forward to the rubicon and little sluce when the snow melts or maybe sooner....LOL
http://www.tcnj.edu/~macock2/stuff/temp/PICT0077.avi

Scott

Cue-Ball
02-12-2005, 03:51 PM
Gabe,

You have a good point. I hate to sound like a woman always changing my mind so I think I will just stay UNDECIDED for the time being. I have a little time before I order what ever kit I decide on and maybe that will give Ty some time to work things out.

Perhaps Vonzipper would be willing to meet up with me somewhere to check it out.

For me it does make some sense to go with Ty since he is close and I will NOT have to pay any shipping charges and I can have him there for the actual install to tweak things as it goes together.

Well the long arms are the last thing I will be buying for my project so once everything else is purchased I will revisit which kit to go with. If only I knew how much headache this whole Jeep was going to be I might have kept my 83 VW Scirroco :lol: Oh well I am hooked now and have TOO much invested to turn back now.

Vonzipper
02-12-2005, 04:29 PM
anytime Cue

Cue-Ball
02-12-2005, 04:30 PM
Where are you located?

AprilzWarrior
02-12-2005, 10:56 PM
hes is in Pleasanton...

nate
02-13-2005, 12:30 AM
Vonzipper, you are Scott right??

I was pretty sure Ty said that he was doing the install on your Jeep... :? Maybe I misunderstood. So who did the install? AW??? AW who's did you have to chop off material from the subframe??

AW, I didn't get your phone calls... I was out wheeling all day actually and forgot my phone at home. What's your number?

Dunno... either way I ordered the kit a few weeks ago... so I'm don't think I'm going to back out at this point.

AprilzWarrior
02-13-2005, 02:41 AM
Vonzipper, you are Scott right??

I was pretty sure Ty said that he was doing the install on your Jeep... :? Maybe I misunderstood. So who did the install? AW??? AW who's did you have to chop off material from the subframe??

AW, I didn't get your phone calls... I was out wheeling all day actually and forgot my phone at home. What's your number?

Dunno... either way I ordered the kit a few weeks ago... so I'm don't think I'm going to back out at this point.


I did not do the install... no sense in backing out of the order... you will like the kit, but I hope that Ive prepared you for a little of what is in store...


nate are you in Alaska at the moment ? Chase said you were deployed ?

nate
02-13-2005, 03:19 AM
I was deployed to Korea for around 4.5 months, got back mid-Jan.

I talked to Scott just a little bit ago and I'm pretty sure I know what to expect, and I'm not going to have any surprises. I didn't expect the kit to be a weekend affair, and I realize it will take some cutting, drilling and welding, which is fine by me.

I just hope Ty can stick to his word about the kit being done it 2 weeks... 22 Feb.

nate
02-28-2005, 04:14 PM
Well kit is still being worked on. Said he was busy with mid-terms, so understandable.... I guess.

BigDaveZJ
02-28-2005, 07:23 PM
Moved this thread as it really isn't appropriate for the "Vendor Showcase" anymore, and doesn't fit in with the new rules over there.

happy
03-02-2005, 04:59 PM
So is clayton coming out with a double tri kit?

OverkillZJ
03-02-2005, 05:18 PM
Rumor has it he's experimenting with it, but I don't know if there's any truth to that.


I think he would be though to stay competative.

bigrubbers4x4
03-05-2005, 03:53 AM
i wonder if Ty would be willing to sell the blueprints for his design, so us fabricators could build our own from his design? even just the underbelly part of it.

i have a good friend of mine that is a mechanical engineer working on a long arm kit for my jeep on a program she uses to design parts for GM(not autocad). when she gets something figured out i will post it up for you guys to check out. i really like the double triangulated rear idea, i might have to have her incorperate that into the design.

JeepinHank
03-05-2005, 11:07 AM
He's got some pics of his cad drawings on his site.

I don't know if he'd be willing to sell the blue prints or not, but it wouldn't hurt to ask. For me, it was easier to pay him for the parts than it would have been to fab all of the stuff myself.

Shoot him an email and see what he has to say.

Vonzipper
03-07-2005, 03:33 PM
Hey Hank,

Did you ever get your stuff installed??

Cue-Ball
03-07-2005, 04:36 PM
Hey Hank,

Did you ever get your stuff installed??

Have you finished yours yet Von?

JeepinHank
03-07-2005, 07:29 PM
Hey Hank,

Did you ever get your stuff installed??

LOL nope. But it looks really good sitting on my garage floor!

If I'm lucky, I'm able to get a couple of hours a week to work on my junk. The damn thing has been on jackstands for going on 2 1/2 months now. But I did cut off the last lower control arm on the front this weekend. It gave me a little feeling of accomplishment. Everything is prepped and ready to go, its just a matter of finding the time to put all of the pieces together.

Right now, I'm going non-stop at work, and that's really slowed down the progress on the Jeep. I'm an accountant, and its tax season, so, at least for the next 39 days, I have no life.

Hopefully, I'll be able to get back on it soon, but I've given up on making plans. If I do, something will come up, it never fails.

Don't worry though, I'll keep all you beehotches posted! :flipoff2:




:smt002

OverkillZJ
03-07-2005, 11:07 PM
I want to see how this comes out, have a local that's looking to LA and is willing to be a guini pig.

nate
03-09-2005, 05:51 PM
I should have my kit pretty soon... waiting for Ty to call me back to find out what's going on.

ggruszynski
03-10-2005, 10:16 PM
100% shipping mid to end of next week from what he told me the other day. I can't wait to see it and get it on my bitch.

Vonzipper
03-15-2005, 01:56 AM
Mine is on, drove it today. I did a bunch of stuff at the same time, suspension, gears, 8.8 and exhaust. The amazing thing about this system is how stiff it is, Just for fun I stuffed my left front on a mound of dirt about 40 inches tall with the rear wheels still on the ground, the first thing that impressed me was that I could open and close my door with no problem totaly flexed! the new subframe and crossmembers made the rig very stiff. trying to get the rig ready for this weekend, were planning on hitting the con for some snow wheeling, that is if I can get All the little BS things that are left done


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ggruszynski
03-15-2005, 02:16 AM
Sounds awesome! Let us know how it goes!

Gabe

nate
03-15-2005, 05:22 AM
Cool deal.

Gabe, do you know Ty's new phone #?? PM or whatever. Trying to get ahold of him. I am sitting on a pile of parts... just waiting for his stuff.

ggruszynski
03-15-2005, 09:06 AM
Sure don't. Just got a few e-mails from him the other day. Good thing about this is that I've had time to make a few other changes to what I'm gonna do with mine.

OverkillZJ
03-15-2005, 11:36 AM
I bet your hatch doesnt open when flexed out though!

Jim311
03-15-2005, 11:37 AM
So is he still taking order for ANYTHING? Specifically, his integrated LCA/Coil buckets? I want them for my 8.8....

Vonzipper
03-15-2005, 12:04 PM
If I could figure out how to post pictures things would be better, I guess I should stick with working on cars...lol I'm such a noob!

matt, I'll let you know on the rear hatch

ggruszynski
03-15-2005, 12:14 PM
Scott, if you have some pics, shoot them to me in an e-mail. I would love to see it in action other than under Ty's heep.

Gabe
ggruszynski@msn.com

Cue-Ball
03-15-2005, 08:20 PM
Scott feel free to email me the pix and I can host them for you also.

dirkw@ccgnapa.com

Nordic1
03-15-2005, 08:22 PM
lol or I can too... GoingOffRoading@backpacker.com

Vonzipper
03-16-2005, 12:05 AM
I bet your hatch doesnt open when flexed out though!

Matt, You are right sir, Not much deflection but just enough to make it tough to close

nate
03-16-2005, 12:11 AM
I opened my hatch once when the Jeep was flexed and it was off like 2" when I tried to close it no joke!

Thanks for the phone #s Scott... Ty's just rings and it says his mailbox is full... hmmm.

OverkillZJ
03-16-2005, 12:12 AM
I bet your hatch doesnt open when flexed out though!

Matt, You are right sir, Not much deflection but just enough to make it tough to close

Ya, my doors were never a problem when flext out (except one time I had it absurdly flexed and twisted... I swear you could see the frame bending.) but the hatch was even a problem when I was on short arms.

BMRisko
03-16-2005, 12:42 AM
If you guys all had cages, it would solve the hatch and door deflection problems. :weedman:

Vonzipper
03-16-2005, 12:50 AM
I opened my hatch once when the Jeep was flexed and it was off like 2" when I tried to close it no joke!

Thanks for the phone #s Scott... Ty's just rings and it says his mailbox is full... hmmm.

Dont worry, He called me for some information, it sounds like he really wants to get the kits to you guys ASAP, he may have already shipped.

any of you guys doing your install soon are more than welcome to give me a call and I'll give you what I know so far, I think with ANY of this offroad stuff it's a work in progress.

any Nor-cal guys want to hit the rubicon this weekend?? should be intresting...LOL

nate
03-16-2005, 06:38 AM
I was able to get ahold of him and it should be shipping in the next few days. :supz:

Scott, did you guys get the exhaust done? I'm curious to see how that worked out.

Vonzipper
03-16-2005, 12:01 PM
Yes I did, I'm not real happy with it but it works, I moved the cat in front of the front crossmember, It's a little too close to the transmission for me,
and then I installed a small resenator inside the skidplate, not too loud at all and no vibrations

once I figure out the picture deal you'll have some


Scott

Cue-Ball
03-16-2005, 01:15 PM
once I figure out the picture deal you'll have some


Scott

Scott Just shoot them over to me and I will post them up.

Dirk

Cue-Ball
03-16-2005, 06:33 PM
Here is a link to Scott's long arm install for all that are interested:

Scott's Long Arms (http://www.fototime.com/inv/470C17551C482F2)

Enjoy.

JeepinHank
03-16-2005, 08:08 PM
Scott / Dirk

Thanks for the pics! :supz:

Scott, I'll probably still be giving you a call this weekend.

DND
03-16-2005, 08:24 PM
Hey Scott,

You've done exactly what I proposed to my exhaust guy last weekend and he flat out said having the cat infront of the Xmember will cook the trans fluid in no time. Have you considered this? Maybe heat shields on both the trans and cat? If we can find an effective way to deal with the heat issue it would make LA exhaust much easier.

Dave

AprilzWarrior
03-16-2005, 09:54 PM
Scott,
How many hours of install time ?? Just curious....




AW

nathaniel
03-16-2005, 11:59 PM
Hey Scott,

You've done exactly what I proposed to my exhaust guy last weekend and he flat out said having the cat infront of the Xmember will cook the trans fluid in no time. Have you considered this? Maybe heat shields on both the trans and cat? If we can find an effective way to deal with the heat issue it would make LA exhaust much easier.

Dave

I know of quite a few people with the cat in front and haven't heard of anyone cooking a tranny because of it.

Vonzipper
03-17-2005, 12:29 AM
Hey Scott,

You've done exactly what I proposed to my exhaust guy last weekend and he flat out said having the cat infront of the Xmember will cook the trans fluid in no time. Have you considered this? Maybe heat shields on both the trans and cat? If we can find an effective way to deal with the heat issue it would make LA exhaust much easier.

Dave

Dave,

That was a issue that I've looked at, I'm not real happy with the location, I just didnt have enough time to really think it out. I looked at putting it in between the two crossmembers, maybe with a smaller cat, I have a couple of BMW cats that i may look at

Vonzipper
03-17-2005, 12:35 AM
Scott,
How many hours of install time ?? Just curious....




AW

Jerod,

total install time of the LA's was about three days, it was all the other stuff that kept getting in the way, it was intresting to run the business and find time to work on the jeep, I think it pissed off some of my BMW customers, Just make sure you have a full spool of welding wire....lol

with what you have at your shop and, if and when you install one it will be a piece of cake

nate
03-23-2005, 08:49 AM
Nice pics. So you were able to keep the rear swaybar from what I can tell in the pics? No problems with it hitting the arms?

I talked to Ty yesterday and he said everything is ready, just he is waiting for some JJs that Currie forgot to include with his order... I CAN'T WAIT!

Vonzipper
03-23-2005, 07:31 PM
Nice pics. So you were able to keep the rear swaybar from what I can tell in the pics? No problems with it hitting the arms?

I talked to Ty yesterday and he said everything is ready, just he is waiting for some JJs that Currie forgot to include with his order... I CAN'T WAIT!

Nate, I tried to keep the rear swaybar but without spacers it wouldnt work, I thought a rear antirock setup would be something to look at. However, the front is working great and there is a huge difference with it on and off. I did change the exhaust system since the pictures with minor changes to the cat and silencer, I think I'll be tweeking the exhaust for sometime. we did get some wheeling in, went to the sierra's last weekend, started out at 5200 and went to 7200ft, it droped three ft on us in 24hr's, for a time there you would have thought we were in alaska....LOL the rig did great! we just aired down to 6psi and motored

Scott

Cue-Ball
03-28-2005, 05:28 PM
Just posted some more pix from Scott. They are located in the same album as the others on my FotoTime site.

ggruszynski
03-31-2005, 06:03 PM
Nate,
Did you order your kit with the belly skid and everything else? Just wondering who the 3rd person is and if they ordered the skid. Looks like one of the kits was without one.

Gabe

nate
04-01-2005, 07:34 AM
Yes. Gary and yes he did.

ggruszynski
04-01-2005, 08:38 AM
Yeah, heard from Ty's partner. They finally ship out today! :supz:

JeepinHank
04-01-2005, 10:12 AM
Dang,

You guys will probably have your stuff installed before I get finished with mine. lol

ggruszynski
04-01-2005, 10:51 AM
I hope to have it all completed and ready to rock by the end of the month. I'm doing the long arms in conjunction with axle swaps, so hopefully it all goes well.

nate
04-03-2005, 01:41 AM
Yeah same here, plus steering, SYE, exhaust, etc etc etc. It's all good cause I enjoy wrenching... it's my time to relax.

Vonzipper
04-03-2005, 03:41 AM
Good Luck guys, cant wait for some photos

Vonzipper
04-03-2005, 10:21 PM
Cueball: to be honest have been a bit wearly about ordering due to the issues with Scotts kit and some of the other issues I have heard


To clear things up, I had zero problems with my kit and or any parts supplied by Rock Control, When I talked with TY I always wanted to do the install myself, I guess I'm a control freak...LOL, But I am very happy with the turnout, TY was Always upfront with me about time, as a business owner I know how you can get behing the 8 ball sometimes and maybe over extend, I'm not saying thats what went on but the one thing is that TY Always was concerned about quality.

I now have about 3000miles on the jeep, since it been raining here and snowing in the mountains we've been on two wheeling trips, one to 7200 ft on 10 ft of snow, the suspension works great!! there were area's that had off camber and drop offs witch used full flex,I had no problems at all "tell that to the TJ that was with me, blew both axles...LOL" on that note, my jeep full of crap towing the tj full of crap as well, we ended up snow camping with it snowing three feet overnight, fresh powder is awsome!! I keep checking the suspension and no movement so far.

Scott

Cue-Ball
04-04-2005, 11:46 AM
Scott,

Sorry I did misspeak in my earlier post. I need to learn to keep my mouth shut sometimes. :axe:

bklatt
04-04-2005, 07:25 PM
Hey guys, here’s an update:

The three kits are officially gone, they left on Friday! I apologize for how long it took to get them out, it will not happen again. However, we would rather take to long and deliver quality parts than send parts out that we don’t feel totally confident about.

They included half built rear lower arms (we left the JJ side unfinished). This way people can locate the rear axle exactly where they want to.

Other than that, all the arms are finished on both sides.

We also built rough rear axle trusses. We left them long so that people can fit them tight to the top of the casting. This is hopefully a temporary issue, I would like to build a water-jetted truss that doesn’t stick up so far, but that will take some time to design. Most likely we will build one for the 8.8 because it seems like that’s what most people are using.

We are trying to turn this into a real kit- as complete as Clayton’s. It’s still in the late prototype stages, so keep that in mind with these kits. We are going to try to get rear LCA dimensions from the three guys we just shipped to, so we can offer it with or without completed rear LCAs. These early kits have more fab involved because we are still nailing down tolerances. We think it’s better to send something un-welded than welded in the wrong place.

I am working on an Excel spreadsheet with every nut and bolt listed. This way we can find the cheapest sources for our parts and pass that savings on to you. Also, once this is done, it will make it way easier to gather all the parts for a kit. On the last ones we had to make countless trips to OSH to buy small last min stuff. We got nickel and dime’d into the poor house. The spreadsheet will also allow us to have a much better sense of how long each kit will take. Hopefully I can get it done next weekend.

Ty is currently working on making some minor design changes. We are changing the rear upper control arms to have 2.5” JJ on both sides. This makes it much easier for us to produce and is way beefy. So he has to design a new bracket on the frame side to accommodate the JJ.

This system will never be for the faint of heart. We are not trying to make an easy to install setup. We are trying to build the strongest setup. With a unibody truck it is difficult to create an easy to install system without compromising more than we’re willing to.

We have had several long meetings about this kit, and now have an organized way of splitting up the work. Ty is swamped with school-work and design changes, so if you guys have questions you will probably have better luck shooting me an e-mail. Thanks for all the interest! I have been involved with this project since the beginning, and spent an entire summer building Tys jeep with him. I know the kit pretty well. I will try to get some suspension numbers for you guys asap, but it might be a little while- I have some catching up to do in some of my classes. Thanks!

Brian Klatt
bklatt@gmail.com

PS- We will be posting some videos of Tys ZJ doing some fun stuff soon, I'll keep you guys posted. OverkillZJ, and BigDaveZJ- I need to talk to you guys, I'm not interested in getting booted off the boards! I've sent you a couple of PMs, let me know what information you need to approve me!

Vonzipper
04-04-2005, 11:57 PM
Scott,

Sorry I did misspeak in my earlier post. I need to learn to keep my mouth shut sometimes. :axe:

Cue, no worries, give me a call, i'd like to talk to you about your battery setup


scott

ggruszynski
04-05-2005, 12:46 AM
Mine's been sitting for way too long! I'll probably nut when it finally gets here, but it will have been worth the wait. My thoughts have always been do it right the first time, which is why I've been patient... plus it's given me time to buy a few more goodies for the heep. From the pics I've seen pre shipping, it looks damn good!

Gabe

KevinF
04-05-2005, 01:09 AM
Ty and Brian:

Congratulations on your success of getting the first few kits out the door. I think it says a lot about your character to be able to accomplish this all during school work and classes! The R & D is a real bitch, huh? Anyway, it appears to be a solid design, and I'm looking forward to seeing what Gabe and the others have to say once installed.

Best of success to you!

Kevin

bklatt
04-05-2005, 04:43 PM
Thanks Kevin, I apreciate it. And yes, the R&D was huge bitch!, and it isnt over. We are still finishing it, then we get to start over again to build a kit for CJs. ugggh...

ggruszynski
04-08-2005, 03:31 PM
Got my stuff in today beeeoootches, and all I've got to say is it's BEEF! It weighed like 310 pounds, and everything looks great! I'll get pics posted tonight (hopefully) after I drop it off at the shop. :supz:

Gabe

nate
04-08-2005, 10:29 PM
I guess I'll need to borrow a few friends then. Ain't no way I can pick that up on my own.

ggruszynski
04-08-2005, 11:06 PM
Nope! The delivery guy and I just slid it from his liftgate into the back of my work truck (Blazer). I then uncrated it.

Gabe

Cue-Ball
04-09-2005, 12:59 AM
Gabe,

Be sure to keep us posted with the progress.

I have been talking with Brian about my set up, that with any luck I can get ordered in the next month or so, I am local to him so we will just arrange a time to meet up and pick it up thus saving me on the shipping.

95 ZJ
04-13-2005, 09:23 PM
My Rock Control LA kit arrived today at my buddies shop. He posted some pics for me on a local 4x4 board but I'm stuck at work so I haven't seen it yet. I feel like a little kid on christmas morning :mrgreen: I'll post some pics on here in the next day or two.

Vonzipper
04-13-2005, 11:53 PM
Do I hear a race coming on?? four kits going on at the same time, it should be instresting to watch..... :finga:

95 ZJ
04-14-2005, 01:34 AM
If everything goes as planned then mine should be done the sunday after this coming sunday, aka 10 days from now. We'll see if everything goes as planned.

nate
04-14-2005, 02:22 AM
Do you have your axles yet? My goal is to be done before June 10. I have quite a bit more going on then just the LAs though.

95 ZJ
04-14-2005, 03:58 AM
My axles will be ready, they are Nolans old axles and he said I can have them whenever I'm ready. It will just be a matter of seeing how long the kit takes to install with all the cutting and welding. Everything I need is here (LA's, springs, tires, axles) except the SYE and shocks which I should be able to buy locally without a problem. I'm sure we'll run into some gliches along the way but I'm sure we'll get it done :supz:

nate
04-14-2005, 05:17 AM
Yeah I found out I am moving out of the house Jun 1... so now I gotta haul more ass on this... FAWK! I'm gonna focus on getting the suspension done and take care of electrical, etc after.

Funny shit is my roomate thinks I'm going to move into an apartment with him and share the rent. Nope... he is a lazy ass piece of shit.. I'm gonna move in with Mikey and the roomate can tough it on his own. :mrgreen:

95 ZJ
04-15-2005, 04:26 PM
Here's a pic of the crate it came in. Weighs 325lbs!...
http://offroadworld.tenmagazines.com/gallery/95ZJ/133636.jpg

Here's one of the control arms...
http://offroadworld.tenmagazines.com/gallery/95ZJ/133635.jpg

I can't speak about the assembly process yet since it hasn't began but I have to say I'm very impressed with how stout everything is. I don't see myself breaking any of this stuff, very beefy!

I will post more pics in 7-10 days when we start the assembly process.

NorthernZJ
04-16-2005, 08:29 AM
Hey everybody... it is really late on Friday night... 4:47 am here in Chico. I'm working hard holdin' down some nerd status right now... I've been on solidworks and reseraching designs for t-cases for like 10 hours now... pretty much e-wheeling. I'm glad to see people got their kits. I'm working on install instructions and finishing design changes to the kit. I've changed a few things to make the quality of the kit better. I'll go into detail in the coming posts after this one. I hope to have a pretty clear path for install posted here by the end of the weekend(this time Monday AM). Also, feel free to bitch about the install... I won't take it personal :-) These early kits are going to be more work than the ones we will be shipping this next round. I didn't want to get too cocky with the design and send ya'll parts which had holes in the wrong spots or something stupid.

Oh... yeah... make sure you get a 3/8 transfer punch before you start

Here is a basic game plan:

1. clean the crap off the bottom of your jeep. Pressure wash it... etc.
2. strip down the frame with an angle grinder to clean metal on parts you plan to weld.
3. you'll want to put some plug welds in the steel sleeve. I also suggest welding the full U shape around each end and also adding a few 1-2 inch stich welds to the top length.
4. Every bracket that has a spacer in it needs to keep the spacer and bolt combo in 'till you weld it on to where it goes. That means don't remove the spacer before welding.
5. The front control arms should be pretty simple. Not much room to move the axle around.
6. The rear axle should be mocked up pretty good before you commit to cutting the lower control arms. Just mock it up and take a real good look at what you are doing.
7. The first thing you attach to the jeep is the steel sleeve for each frame rail. You need to trim the uni-body lip off where the x-member is on the inside of the uni-rail.
8. The steel sleeve should be up at the back of the jeep on the subframe part that goes out toward the rocker guard.
9. After you get the steel sleeve the next step is front x-member
10. You need to figure out how to attach the transmission to the x-member. This isn't going to be true for the next kits... just these... sorry guys. I've got the template for early style tranny mounts. I'll post a drawing of it here over the weekend. I've never played with the new style mounts... that is something we are going to figure out before we ship the next kits.
11. After you get the front x-member attached to the tranny you move to the U-shape brackets which attach the x-member to the frame. With the front x-member bolted to the tranny you place the U-shape parts on top of the flanges of the x-member. Position and weld in place.
12. Then you move to getting the skid plate in. Get the skid where you want it and drill and tap some holes... arg... I'm going to try to address this issue...
13. After you get the skid in the next step is the rear x-memeber. Depending on you tranny length you might no be able to get all 8 counter sunk holes. Not a huge big deal. Scott's tranny was longer than mine and he only got 4. Mine gets 8. I've addressed this issue and made the t-case 1 inch longer in the kits which we are currently building.
14. To get the rear x-member positioned just let it rest on the skid. Then place the U-shape frame brackets on the top of the flanges. Then weld the frame side stuff in place.

Anyway.. that should get you started... here is a fresh shot of what was coming off solidworks when I finished tonight... I'll post a install guide with pics something like this... oh yeah... the photo below has the design for the 2.5 inch jonny joint left hand on the frame side of the rear UCA...


http://www.rockcontrol.com/kits/render6.png

NorthernZJ
04-16-2005, 08:34 AM
oh yeah... shoot Brian an email if you want my cell phone number for install questions... also please feel free to bug the crap out of me at my gmail account. I'm moving away from yahoo and I check gmail more.

tybeede@gmail.com

Ty

NorthernZJ
04-18-2005, 02:51 PM
Hey guys.... just a little update... things are taking a little longer than expected as with everything... keep an eye out for a for the install guide. I should have a link to it posted here late tonight... arg...

Ty

Frogger
04-19-2005, 01:56 AM
Any luck on completing the guide? No rush here.... I won't need it until around the middle of May. :supz:

NorthernZJ
04-19-2005, 11:06 PM
I'm working on it right now.... I think in the future I'll just start to assume everything takes 4 times as long as it should... :smt001

nate
04-20-2005, 04:36 AM
Yeah I know what you mean man. I start the day with a list of things I need to get done, and normally I'm lucky if I get half that list done.

Oh well.

ggruszynski
04-21-2005, 09:13 PM
Any luck? I know the guy doing my work would be more comfortable if he had it.

Gabe

NorthernZJ
04-23-2005, 11:44 PM
Here is a rough draft... everything looked great in Word when I wrote the document... didn't convert to pdf very well. I've got to take care of some stuff tonight so I can't play with it much more. I'll update it before church Sunday AM. This will give you guys lots more info though...

http://www.rockcontrol.com/test.pdf

Ty

nate
04-24-2005, 03:55 AM
Just would have to add that on the 96 and up models with the different style tranny mounts, the crossmember needs to be cut to get the mount where it's supposed to be. Bascially is has to mount to the bottom of the cross member, so cut a hole in the top so it can drop it... bascially like the stock one is. I'll get some pics in the next few days.

On my Jeep, the front mounts are right at the very edge of the subframe. I made the arms 24", or maybe 24 1/2". Bascially to keep all the threads of the JJ in the sleeve, you have like 3/8" of adjustment forward and back.

So far, that's where I'm at. I'm working on several other things at the same time.

Ty, what is the measurement from the back side, where it'd weld to the truss to the center of the bolt hole for the UCA mounts I'm waiting on? I emailed and called Brian, no luck getting in touch with him. Waiting on that number so I can build my arms... hope to get those parts soon.

NorthernZJ
04-24-2005, 10:17 PM
Hello,

Here is the updated install instructions. I had to get a real copy of MicroShaft Word before it would convert to a pdf and not turn into junk.

http://www.rockcontrol.com/install.pdf

Nate, I emailed you some drawings of the tabs you are missing. I should have that stuff from the waterjet this week. I'll send it to you fed-ex overnight!

Also, if anybody else doing the install needs the size of the tabs feel free to email me and I'll send you the same stuff I sent nate.

Thanks
Ty

Frogger
04-24-2005, 11:37 PM
Ty,

Any chance the front crossmember mount is going to be cut to match the 96 ZJ Transmission mount before shipping for those with this set up?

Lindley

JeepinHank
04-25-2005, 10:31 AM
If you're running a 242 t-case, you'll need to either use only the rear 4 bolts that attach the skid to the rear x-member (like Ty said), or notch your rear x-member to clear the rear drain plug area. I chose to notch mine and reverse / weld in the cut out portion to cap off the cut out. My cut out was approximately 3" wide (along the length of the x-member) and 2.5" in from the front of the crossmember (2.5" of the 4" box tubing), and I cut down 1.25" from the top (1.25" of the 2" side of the box tubing). I reversed the L-shaped piece that came out and welded that back it. Don't know if that makes any sense at all... I'll have to take some pics and post them up, I guess its kinda hard to explain. It gives me just enough room to reach over the rear x-member and fit an allen wrench in there to loosen up the plug. The biggest reason I did it this way is because I had already welded in my x-member brackets assuming that the t-case would clear. *doh* The only real benefit is that I'll be able to use all 8 of the bolts that attach the rear x-member to the skid.

For the 96+ transmission mount, I cut out an opening and then welded the cut out portion in the bottom of the cross member (effectively a 1/4" spacer). On my ZJ, I'll probably end up needing another 1/2"-3/4" to get the transmission / t-case up where its supposed to be. You could almost get the transmission mount to work on top of the x-member, but it will be really tight. Since my transmission mount bolts on from the bottom of the x-member, I'm going to have to drill 4 holes in the skid to allow the heads to clear. Started out with a 3/4" hole saw, but I'll probably have to open that up a little bit more with a step bit, not sure yet. A 1" hole saw would probably be ideal, but I don't have a 1" hole saw. :mrgreen:

Hope this helps you guys out a bit.

Hank

Frogger
04-25-2005, 12:46 PM
Any pictures would be great. I'm going to be having a shop install this for me because of my inability and because I'm not going to be there when this is installed. I appreciate the inside tips.

Lindley

nate
04-25-2005, 08:27 PM
If a shop is installing this, I'm sure they will figure this stuff out too. Really if a person was doing in the install and couldn't figure this out I'd be worried about the install job. I'm just an average shadetree mechanic, so no special fab skills here.


Hank, for the front crossmember, that's what I did too. With the mount on the top, the crossmember mounts were a good 2" down from the subframe, so too low for me.

For the holes, what I'm going to do is drill the bottom of the crossmember, and countersink some pan head screws, like the ones for rear crossmember on the skid. That way the skid can be pulled off without taking out those bolts. What I am going to do is 2 holes threw the skid and cross member so the mud and water will drain out of the crossmember, since the top is cut open.

I cut the rear truss down like 2 1/2". I was too tall, I think it could fit on a 14bolt without problems actually. I left it a bit tall still to keep decent seperatation between the uppers and lowers. To radius it, I'm gonna try and use a hole saw. 3 1/2" I think... whatever the size the tubes are. What I should have done if left is long and then used the hole saw, but I didn't think of that until afterwards.

Overall awesome kit. I knew there would be some fab work/modifying, so it doesn't bother me. I'd imagine as more kits come out, Ty and Brian will take care of the "issues" that are coming up.

Cue-Ball
04-28-2005, 03:13 PM
I know alot of you are wondering where I am at on my long arms and I just wanted to let everyone one that I have after much debate and deliberation made my choice and its Claytons BABY !!

I just think it is the right fit for me and my Jeep at this point.

shayzj
04-29-2005, 01:14 AM
:supz: Smart move.

Shay

ggruszynski
04-29-2005, 10:50 AM
Had Clayton's but sold it to do with RC.

Nordic1
04-29-2005, 11:46 AM
Between Clayton And Rock Control I would say Rock Control... RC's cheaper, they have the same basic construction (2x2x.250 Box with a flex joint on one end and a bushing on the other) but with RC you get a bell skid AND double triangulation.


Just an IMO :weedman:

Cue-Ball
04-29-2005, 11:53 AM
I agree Chase the skid plate is AWESOME. But the price really is not CHEAPER than Clayotn it is about the same price, but you do get the double triangulation.

For me I went Clayton becuase I am getting a smokin' deal on a brand new set here locally from the guy who bought Max's Jeep, so I am not paying for ANY shipping, and getting it for less than new on top of it.

And the other thing is I know it will just fit right in, no messing around customizing something to make it work. Don't you remember your Kevin's set up and all the stuff you had to go through? I don't want that headache.

nate
04-29-2005, 05:46 PM
I like the fact that I can customize. A guys rig is different from anothers, why would the same kit work for both? Know what I mean? I don't have to make it work, I just weld and bolt it where I want so it does work.

Don't take my post wrong, there isn't anything wrong with Clayton's be any means. I'm just sharing my opinion.

Cue-Ball
04-29-2005, 06:20 PM
I hear ya Nate,

No worries.

True everyone is different and that is what makes this place great being able to see how everyone does there own Jeep.

Vonzipper
04-30-2005, 09:13 PM
Dont forget the rear steer problem with Claytons, I have many road miles with my RC system and it's road manners are sweet, very neutral

You cant go wrong with either

Scott

OverkillZJ
04-30-2005, 10:43 PM
Dont forget the rear steer problem with Claytons, I have many road miles with my RC system and it's road manners are sweet, very neutral

You cant go wrong with either

Scott

Reer steer with Claytons is all but a myth. Not trying to take this thread further offtopic, but fact is if you told me I still had a track bar back there, I'd believe it.

Now that I got that in, if you want to talk about Claytons, lets start another thread and give RC their thread back :finga:

Cue-Ball
04-30-2005, 11:37 PM
Matt,

Your totally right, sorry to have taken this way off point.

nate
05-03-2005, 02:30 AM
Yeah the only thing I can compare is my short arms. A 17" compared to a ~40" arm... yeah gonna be a big difference!

happy
05-09-2005, 10:35 PM
how much is the kit?

nate
05-09-2005, 11:29 PM
Well still waiting on my UCA tabs. I should of had them a while back, Ty had issues with the water jet guys, etc... yeah stuff happens. Ty said they were mailed next day air this past Friday.. nothing yet, maybe tomorrow?

The kit is great, a few bugs which I planned since it was a prototype. I'm not sure if I like the front arms, the way the uppers mount kinda binds the arm to where the JJ is just about maxed out and the rubber bushing has to flex to be able to get the bolt in. I'm not exactly sure how to re-engineer, Scott, was that an issue for you? Bascially the mount would need to sit crocked on the LCA, or the holes would need to be done crocked... or I dunno.

I think the customer service needs help, sorry to say that but I feel I need to be honest. They are great guys when you can get ahold of them, but emails are slow, and I rarely have my calls returned...
Understandable being in school that there isn't a whole lot of free time, but taking a few mins to send an email, etc shouldn't be an issue.

nate
05-10-2005, 07:38 AM
Well Brian (Ty's partner) emailed me today and "I was out of town this weekend and Ty told me he was going to ship
them out on Friday. As it turns out, he "couldn't fit it in".".. Great to know... I am pretty damb pissed. The kit was shipped without these parts and they were supposed to be cut at the waterjet and shipped shortly after.... I got the kit about a month ago....

JeepinHank
05-10-2005, 09:08 AM
Nate,

I just finished up the front suspension on my ZJ, and I think my setup is pretty dang close to that of the kit. It does seem to bind a little bit when you're bolting everything together, but I don't see it being too much of a problem. I wouldn't worry about it too much - that JJ isn't going to be doing too much flexing by itself anyway.

Just an FYI, I wanted to get an idea of what kind of articulation I'm going to have, so I jacked up one side of the axle to the bumpstops and let the other side droop - it hit the ground before anything started to bind. (All of the steering is hooked up, but the trackbar wasn't)

My shocks are waaaaay too short for this thing. :supz:

happy
05-10-2005, 09:50 PM
so how much is it?

Cue-Ball
05-11-2005, 12:21 AM
Don't quote me on this but the latest pricing I think was about $1900

nate
05-12-2005, 01:07 PM
Yeah I got my tabs the other day, so all is well. If that right, the $1900, I still think that's a good price. Yeah "I" had to fab/modify some stuff, but keep in mind that it was a prototype kit. Personally I would rather drill the holes, etc myself. I HATE when I have to try and fix someone elses stuff when it doesn't line up. Kevin's stuff comes to mind. Probably fits on 99.5% of ZJs... I have that .05% :mrgreen:

Vonzipper
05-13-2005, 01:47 PM
I'm not sure if I like the front arms, the way the uppers mount kinda binds the arm to where the JJ is just about maxed out and the rubber bushing has to flex to be able to get the bolt in. I'm not exactly sure how to re-engineer, Scott, was that an issue for you? Bascially the mount would need to sit crocked on the LCA, or the holes would need to be done crocked... or I dunno.

Nate,

The d30 front mounts are offset from the factory, nothing we can do there other than cut them off and re-weld new ones on, too much work for a polished turd if you know what I mean....LOL I just put mine on the factory mounts but I did work the front axle through a full suspension sweep on the lift and was supprised to find very little binding, the off road manners work fine and it is a copy of the Clayton style front.

PM me your address and I'll send you some of that zinc spray, it's totaly weldable and makes it water proof


Scott

nate
05-13-2005, 03:48 PM
Yeah I understand that Scott, but considering that many people still run the D30. Yes it fits, but it doesn't make me all warm and fuzzy. haha. It may be a "turd", but it holds up to decent sized tires, so I'm running it. We have guys on 37 Boggers, 36/38 TSLs running the HP D30 some... break a 260 u joint or two every once in a while, that's about it.

I got some of that zinc paint at the hardware store. Works good!

Vonzipper
05-13-2005, 11:43 PM
Nate,

dont get me wrong, I think the D30 is the best bang for the buck, it's what I'm going to run in my rig, sure there are better options but... Just make sure you have a locker in it, as far as flex is concerned, I didnt have a problem, I think the front is working ok like it is.

nate
05-14-2005, 12:31 AM
It's hard to explain, but bascially the upper mounts on the control arms are on the wrong plane compared to the axle mounts. So the JJ ends up being maxed out and the rubber bushing has to flex some in order to get the bolt in. Both mine and Gary's kits were like that. Same thing on yours?
It's not bad enough to make me redo the arms, but it's just something I wasn't exactly excited about. I think it will be hard on bushings... they are cheap though, not a huge deal. I just think the design should be modified to work better.
If a person would do a custom swap, like a Hp D44 where you'd weld in the axle mounts, you wouldn't have this problem.

Vonzipper
05-14-2005, 04:46 AM
Send me some pictures

Nordic1
05-14-2005, 12:38 PM
post some pictures :axe:

nate
05-14-2005, 02:56 PM
What's up Jesus sandals?

Yeah I'll get some pics Scott.

Vonzipper
05-15-2005, 01:59 PM
Nate,

Were the pic's i sent you what you needed for the Upper mount??

ggruszynski
05-15-2005, 05:19 PM
Scott,
Send me whatever you sent Nate. Just want to see if I need to do the same.

Gabe
ggruszynski@msn.com

Vonzipper
05-16-2005, 05:32 PM
Pictures sent Gabe, let me know if you guys need any thing else.

Nate, I have pictures of the rear truss if you want them


Scott

nate
05-17-2005, 03:30 AM
Yeah that worked out Scott. Mine ended up being 3 7/8" from the back of the sleeve. Truss is all made up, rear axle is all done actually, just need to weld it up, just tacked right now.

Should have most of the kit fully welded in tomorrowm, then axles Wednesday/Thurday. Plan it to have it rolling by Sunday at the latest.

Vonzipper
05-17-2005, 03:28 PM
By the looks of it you've been busy!!

nate
05-17-2005, 05:20 PM
I'm working 7/8AM to 12/1AM on it... so like 15 hrs a day? :mrgreen: Gotta get done.

Cue-Ball
05-17-2005, 05:20 PM
You will be done soon at that pace.

nate
05-18-2005, 05:13 AM
It needs to be done by this weekend. :mrgreen:

Vonzipper
05-18-2005, 11:29 PM
Hey Nate, Post some pictures, we want to see the garage sale... :finga:

nate
05-21-2005, 07:28 AM
Yeah I'll have to get some, I have them on disk, just I need to upload them to server my website is one... Right now that's like priority 600 haha.

Well I'm getting there with the Jeep. Today I started at 7AM and just got done... 3AM. My buddy came over and helped some, though he needed some welding work on a bumper for his truck, so that slowed me up... plus having 2 people working on different projects is shitty.. where the fuck is the grinder?... "Oh, I have it"... drill? yup, using it...

The rear axle is all done, just need to bolt it in later today. Took longer than I thought, I spent alot of time on the park brakes actually. I tore all that junk out 2 years ago with the intention of never putting it back in... yeah... I have to have a working park brake to ship my Jeep this fall...

The subframe, skid, etc is all in and done. Was alot of welding in shitty positions, good practice for me. My back went out about mid way into welding the subframe, but I managed to get it done...

Exhaust is pretty much done, just looking for a small muffler. I put the cat kinda in the stock location. Hope it doesn't get too hot with the skid being there, but that's the best place I could figure.

The big things left is to bolt in the rear axle, front axle needs a trackbar and bracket fabbed, sway bar mounts welded on, paint, etc. Rock rails need to go back on, some wiring (new e fan, etc)... maybe some trimming, ARB needs to go back on the front... Bunch of stuff. Need to order shocks once I figure out the front ones... AHHHHAHAHAHHH I'M GOING TO FREAK OUT haha.

Most of it will be done this weekend, it NEEDS to be rolling by the end of next week at the very latest because I need to move out of this place by the 1st. Sucks to tear apart my whole "shop". I'm moving just down the block, so even if it's not exactly street ready, it will be ok. Has to be done for the big Meet and Greet which it June 10 though. My brother is flying in from Maine for this even. :supz:

95 ZJ
05-30-2005, 03:21 PM
My kit is done, here's a couple pics of the final product. I'm running Q78's with 7" rock krawler springs and a 1 3/4" spacer. I am very happy with how it performed so far. I wheeled it two days this weekend and only had issues with my front control arm mount bending which caused death wobble on the highway so we trailered it back.



http://offroadworld.tenmagazines.com/gallery/95ZJ/135900.jpg

http://offroadworld.tenmagazines.com/gallery/95ZJ/135901.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/noahlmil/images/mem_day/river.jpg


BigDave's Edit: edited pictures per policy on this site

nate
05-31-2005, 05:06 AM
Yeah mine is close to done. I drove it today. Even without shocks, it's not too bad. Toolbox is closed up, and I'm all packed up. (had to move this weekend). Alot of work to get this place setup.... but I'll be up in no time.

My buddy tells me when I got to his place "So it that how you break in new gears?"... I'm like, Huh? Well I left a 3 foot real dark strip by old my house. Pretty bad burning TSLs and I didn't even notice it. Must be new tires or something, I dunno. haha.

I have shocks to order tomorrow, muffler to put on when it comes in, my rock rails to weld up, some electrical work (I hate doing too) and that's just about it. Maybe some trimming, though I flexed it up with no springs and I shouldn't need to trim actually. Maybe the bumper, not 100% sure on that.

Gary, the reason you bent that mount is because the upper arms need to be redone so they aren't binding so bad. I cut the arms and rewelded them to where they should be, problem solved. :mrgreen:

Vonzipper
06-01-2005, 12:50 AM
Looks good guys, Nate, what size shock are you going with??

nate
06-02-2005, 12:04 AM
They are Skyjackers, like 30" extended, 17" compressed. Gives me 6" up and 6" down on both the front and rear. $230 shipped for 4 :smt107

Trancezj
06-02-2005, 09:07 AM
95zj you've got entirely too much lift. Trade those spacers to someone for a sawall.

nate
06-02-2005, 04:21 PM
I said the same thing.

95 ZJ
06-02-2005, 11:52 PM
I've already sawzalled several inches off my fenders, you should be able to tell from the pics. I like it the way it is and it will be staying that way... for now. Once I'm back home in 10 months and I'm not wheeling every weekend then my plan is to pull the spacers out and run 35" MTR's.

nate
06-03-2005, 07:15 AM
Yeah but it doesn't matter how tall your rig is, if your bumpstops aren't set right, the tires will still rub. I didn't trim mine (yet) and with flexing it up in the garage without springs, I think I won't have to.

In the rear, I fabbed some bumpstops extensions so the UCAs wouldn't hit the floorboard. In the front, I have an RE extenstion, like 2" I think, and 2 hockey pucks. About 4"s. Just enough to keep the tire from slamming into the fender well, battery tray, etc.

NorthernZJ
06-07-2005, 09:36 PM
Hey everybody this is Ty... Just wanted to give you guys my cell phone number. Brian is on a drunken tour of Europe which means I'm the guy to call if you need help. I've been working 50 hour weeks at a local fabrication shop welding and stuff... good money and lots of over time but damn... anyway here is the magic number

530-321-2816

Also, Any issues with the control arm mount bending will be taken care of. I'll send you guys new parts for FREE. Please contact me ASAP and we can work it out. Also, that problem will be fixed in the kit we are ready to shop to Frogger, however, Currie is totally back ordered on all jonny joints and we are waiting on them before we ship.

Thanks
Ty

ggruszynski
06-07-2005, 10:05 PM
Think mine is finally about done. The guy doing it does it after his "normal" job, but I think all is about done. I'll post pics when it is (hopefully in the next week).

nate
06-07-2005, 11:49 PM
Ty, return your calls and or emails. I need some bolts for the rear upper JJs. Brian sent me some, and the package was ripped in teh mail and lost. Been waiting a few weekd for some more. Brian said he talked to you about this.

NorthernZJ
06-08-2005, 12:20 AM
Ok,

Here is what you guys need to get up to speed... Brian was being short with me and hard to work with towards the end of the semester. He got a new girlfriend and moved out of my house. He hasn't ever really moved out with old roomates and had things been cool when he was moving. Not sure why? Anyway... he dropped helping me with customer service. I hope he isn't being moody when he gets back from Europe because I really would love to work with him next semester. I'm sure things will be cool when he gets back.

Brian taught me enough about keeping track of the orders and shipping that I can handle it with him gone. I've got excel spreadsheats and things to help. I finished a few projects already this summer too which had me working 60 hour weeks. CJ5 with Chevy LT1 motor, SM465, D60, 14 bolt with coils all the way around. And fixed the suspension on a Sami. Right when I got done with them on Wednesday after school got out I started working 10 hour days at a local Agricultral fabrication shop where I have my parts CNC waterjet.

That kicked my ass but I'm in a good place now and I really want to help you guys get good customer service. As a show of good faith I'm going to send Gabe, Nate, and Gary a few new parts for FREE. I never liked the rear upper control arm mounts.

1. Updated rear upper control arm mounts for a JJ with a 1 inch LEFT HAND stud with a new control arm body. All you need to buy is a Jonny Joint from curry when you want and upgrade.

2. New front radius arm brackets for the lower control arms.

Nate, I'll get the bolts to you with that crap.

I've got a new email address which isn't being bombarded by juck mail. It is tybeede@gmail.com. As of June 8th 2005 if you check it I'll respond to your email Monday - Friday by 10 pm the same day. If you get me on the weekend it might be Monday night before I get back to you. Please call my phone. The meassage box is clear. Leave a meassage and I'll get back to you in the same time frame as above.

Frogger
06-09-2005, 07:07 AM
Ty,

Any word from Currie about the Johny joints? Brian told me three weeks ago that Currie was three weeks behind on the johny joints and it is just over three weeks since he told me this.

Lindley

NorthernZJ
06-13-2005, 11:38 PM
Hello,

Currie is being super lame right now. I'm going to ship your stuff without the joints and send them UPS when I get them. I'm going to correct things with the radius arms and ship it early next week. I'm planning to meet Scott Parker in the Rubicon over this weekend. I'll have the waterjet parts by next week and I'll copy everything from Scott's jeep when I see him.

Ty

Frogger
06-14-2005, 02:16 AM
Cool, thanks.... Anxiously awaiting delivery....

NorthernZJ
06-14-2005, 10:32 PM
Hello,

I just got a couple guys who want me to add stuff to the waterjet order. I work at the same place that does all the waterjet cutting. The cutter is slammed right now 10-12 hours a day. The order will be less than a full sheet so I'll have to wait for the job to get cut with another order of 1/4 inch. I should have parts by wed of next week. Are you still in Germany?

Thanks
Ty

Frogger
06-14-2005, 11:54 PM
Yes, I'm still in Germany. I'll be here for another year and a half. It'll be longer if they let me due a second tour, which will add three more years. The traveling opportunities are awesome here plus I'm near the end of my enlistment.

My ZJ is still in Philly and will be until I return to the states.

Lindley

phillyzj
06-15-2005, 04:23 PM
Yes, I'm still in Germany. I'll be here for another year and a half. It'll be longer if they let me due a second tour, which will add three more years. The traveling opportunities are awesome here plus I'm near the end of my enlistment.

My ZJ is still in Philly and will be until I return to the states.

Lindley

if you want me to build your zj while you're gone let me know :supz:

Frogger
06-15-2005, 11:56 PM
So does that mean you'll pay for the buildup also or you know how to weld? lol

I'm looking at a couple of shops over in Jersey, Palmyra area, to install the long arm suspension. Do you know of any good automotive places in the Philly area?

I'll be in Philly for the 4th of July, we ought to get together.

Lindley

nate
06-22-2005, 03:54 AM
http://98jeepzj.com/photos/images/192-2.jpg

Not exactly "balanced" front to rear in the flex. My front shocks are brand new, rears are blasted upside-down trailmasters I threw on there for the Meet and Greet.

That's a 567 on a 30* ramp

Gary 95ZJ got like a 580 I think?

I'm running a 107.5" for the WB... Gary was like 104"? (least that's what they mesured it to.. someone might have messed up.)

http://98jeepzj.com/photos/images/206-2.jpg

And real world...

http://98jeepzj.com/photos/images/213-2.jpg

deadman
06-22-2005, 07:11 AM
It'll be longer if they let me due a second tour, which will add three more years.


You like it here!?
Damn, I can't wait to get away from Germany, and I'm born here! :smt101

Frogger
06-22-2005, 08:31 AM
It's better then some of the other places I've been. Plus I get to tour Europe at my leisure and the little bit of extra money I make for being over here helps pay for my Jeep addiction. Oh and the German wine and coffee is good.

Lindley

P.S. I saw in another thread that you needed a part from Napa.... I'm going back to the states for a couple of days. If you want I'll pick it up and bring it back with me. Save you the shipping costs, You'll just have to meet me somewhere like Koblenz, to get it.....

JeepinHank
06-22-2005, 09:03 AM
Looks really good Nate! So is everything finished up except the shocks?

Vonzipper
06-22-2005, 01:14 PM
Nate,

The rig looks good!! we did the Rubicon this last weekend, only made it to Buck lake, that's about half way, but the suspension worked great!! I wish it was dryer since it snowed on us....LOL, who would have thought, snow in california in mid June

deadman
06-22-2005, 04:49 PM
P.S. I saw in another thread that you needed a part from Napa.... I'm going back to the states for a couple of days. If you want I'll pick it up and bring it back with me. Save you the shipping costs, You'll just have to meet me somewhere like Koblenz, to get it.....

How about a pro-tools tube bender?! :smt042

j/k its way too heavy. I've sent ya a PM about NAPA.

thanks :smt023
Sascha

nate
06-23-2005, 03:49 AM
What's this have to do with Rock Control? PMs! :mrgreen:

deadman
06-23-2005, 04:39 AM
What's this have to do with Rock Control? :mrgreen:

nuthin :finga:

What size tires are you running?
Looks like you have problems turning when the tire is stuffed... *sawzall*
But the flex looks good!

NorthernZJ
06-23-2005, 08:48 PM
Scott,

glad to here you had fun. I'm also really glad I didn't go in the snow! First run will be the 4th of july for my truck this season. There are two XJs going with RockControl setups. One with full widths, 37s, and lockers... also the driver has never been to the 'con and kinda new to things. Should see some good body damage!

NorthernZJ
06-23-2005, 08:51 PM
Damn guys, I like your trucks....

happy
06-23-2005, 10:20 PM
hey, can u buy just the sub frame? and how much would that be?

Vonzipper
06-24-2005, 01:09 AM
Scott,

glad to here you had fun. I'm also really glad I didn't go in the snow! First run will be the 4th of july for my truck this season. There are two XJs going with RockControl setups. One with full widths, 37s, and lockers... also the driver has never been to the 'con and kinda new to things. Should see some good body damage!

Say Hello to the Little Sluce for me....LOL


Ty, give me a call tomorrow

95 ZJ
06-24-2005, 01:39 AM
In the RTI ramp pic I got a 587 with a 104" wheel base but a couple people told me my shocks were limiting my travel so I disconnected them and got a 620 :smt003 It would have been better but I have coil retainers on top and bottom in the rear so that was causing my tire to pick up a little early. Not like it really matters though cause I'll never utilize all that travel on the trail, still fun to try none the less :supz:

nate
06-24-2005, 07:46 AM
Gary, any reason why your wheelbase is shorter than stock?? Curious.

With a bit of trimming, and if I pulled 1 arm off the front radius arm, I think I could get pretty close to 600. The front isn't flexing a whole lot in the pic, partially cause the tire is against my front bumper haha.


deadman. Tires are Q78 TSLs. Measures about 35"x11 or so. I call them 35s.

Yeah I can turn. I am trimming though cause my rear fender got torn apart a bit from the ramp. Whoops!

Jcbzj
07-06-2005, 06:58 PM
Damn, its really hard to order shit from Ty? I emailed, called and talked to him but he never called me back? :smt017

nate
07-07-2005, 05:50 AM
Pretty much.

Jcbzj
07-07-2005, 06:42 PM
Thats too bad, I like his shit a lot..but damn, Ive been tryin for 2 weeks to order shit from him with no luck

Cue-Ball
07-07-2005, 06:48 PM
Thats too bad, I like his shit a lot..but damn, Ive been tryin for 2 weeks to order shit from him with no luck

Yea like his stuff also but when I was looking to buy I did not get a good feeling about reliability (of the company that is) and they were still having fitment issues and I really did not want to deal with that.

Vonzipper
07-08-2005, 12:09 AM
I put mine on and it worked great right out of the box

Jcbzj
08-23-2005, 05:05 PM
Has anyone talked to Ty lately? I ordered some parts from him a month ago, sent him $285 and havent heard a single word. Tried to email him and the other dude with no success.

Jcbzj
09-01-2005, 05:40 PM
Does anyone have any contact with Ty or Brian? Im starting to get REALLY fucking mad about this shit...if I wasnt 3000 miles away I would be at his door. Ty if you read this you owe me two hundred and eighty fucking five dollars

Cue-Ball
09-01-2005, 06:38 PM
Does anyone have any contact with Ty or Brian? Im starting to get REALLY fucking mad about this shit...if I wasnt 3000 miles away I would be at his door. Ty if you read this you owe me two hundred and eighty fucking five dollars

Sent you a PM.

Dirk

bklatt
09-01-2005, 08:49 PM
Hey dont be pissed at me... I am no longer involved. Ty and I disagreed about a lot of stuff, this kind of thing being one of them. We are not working together anymore, and as far as i know Ty is goin solo. Good luck...

Brian

BMRisko
09-01-2005, 08:57 PM
Hey dont be pissed at me... I am no longer involved. Ty and I disagreed about a lot of stuff, this kind of thing being one of them. We are not working together anymore, and as far as i know Ty is goin solo. Good luck...

Brian

Yes, but you were involved at the time of the transaction, were you not?

Cue-Ball
09-01-2005, 08:58 PM
Hey dont be pissed at me... I am no longer involved. Ty and I disagreed about a lot of stuff, this kind of thing being one of them. We are not working together anymore, and as far as i know Ty is goin solo. Good luck...

Brian

Yes, but you were involved at the time of the transaction, were you not?

EXACTLY!

BigDaveZJ
09-01-2005, 09:01 PM
Can't say I didn't see this one coming. Whether or not you guys disagreed about stuff, you guys owe someone parts or their money back. I'm wondering if you ever took the time to actually establish a business so you could legally accept money for profit and are planning on paying taxes on it. Pay the man. Now. In the meantime your vendor status is revoked.