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speedmontzj
09-09-2004, 11:29 AM
a litttle modding to make the truss work. im thinking of adding something to make it a little stronger.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/Mvc-077f.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/Mvc-072f.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/Mvc-079f.jpg

POSJEEP
09-09-2004, 11:32 AM
are you running leafs or coils ??????

speedmontzj
09-09-2004, 11:33 AM
also run into a small prob with the crossmember.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/Mvc-069f.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/Mvc-067f.jpg
i have some 2x4 tube to make a new centersection of the crossmember a little wider. that seems to be the fix i have come up with for right now.

MaineZJ
09-09-2004, 11:55 AM
If you really need the strength (guessing you might simply because you're using a 14FF) get (or make) a brace that mounts with the diff cover and the pinion mount

speedmontzj
09-09-2004, 12:11 PM
coils. im running claytons las.

BMRisko
09-09-2004, 12:30 PM
Blue Torch Fab makes a very nice 14b truss that also bolts to the pinion area. Might be worth looking at atleast for design ideas.

speedmontzj
09-09-2004, 12:52 PM
i just thought it might need something because 1/3 of that side will be on the centersection.
i thought about running a brace to the pinion or to the diff cover area.

MaineZJ
09-09-2004, 01:12 PM
http://cc.vtc.edu/~mgauley/brace.jpg

MaineZJ
09-09-2004, 01:20 PM
http://photos.imageevent.com/kaiserman/4link/websize/08-28-04%20005.jpg
http://cc.vtc.edu/~mgauley/brace2.jpg

speedmontzj
09-09-2004, 02:26 PM
all of the local spots have lots of deep mud and a few hills to climb. so i will prob have to pull the cover off more than once to clean out mud. i want to be able to get the cover off with disassembling the suspension. i like the last one (close to bluetorch fab)

speedmontzj
09-09-2004, 02:36 PM
overall width is not that bad, tires dont stick out too far.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/Mvc-083f.jpg

Kraqa
09-09-2004, 11:19 PM
here's mine with a D70.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Suspension/DSC01085.jpg

Alaska ZJ
09-10-2004, 10:21 AM
Speedmont you never did finish up showing us the 300 install.

Hope your family is doing well.

speedmontzj
09-10-2004, 04:36 PM
thanks. my mom is still hanging in there, thats one strong woman. pretty much the whole right side of her brain has no activity and she can still talk in complete sentences and walk a little bit. doctors say its amazing.

d300 is in except for the shifters. i am waiting till i get my seats and cage before i finish the floor. if you have any ?'s about the d300 install i will be glad to answer and post pics.

Raacerx
09-10-2004, 08:59 PM
Looks like its coming along nicely! Those tires are huge!

speedmontzj
09-11-2004, 11:48 AM
2.5" full-traction springs. i think i will lower the spring mount when i move it back so i can use these springs.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/Mvc-089f.jpg
this is the stock rear spring on left, full-traction in middle, stock front on right
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/Mvc-092f.jpg

a look up under.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/Mvc-091f.jpg
getting the mounts welded on monday

Kraqa
09-12-2004, 03:13 PM
must be nice to not have the tank in there to complicate exhaust and axle placement.

speedmontzj
09-12-2004, 06:01 PM
yeah its going up enough to be out of the way. i will prob have to run new lines or change the pump. i want the rear end to be where i want it to be, not where the gas tank will let me put it.

the axle mounts will be welded on the rear in the morning. i want to have the frontend brackets ready to weld on by next monday( next business day i have off work) then i can get to work on the important stuff like gas tank, driveshafts, steering, cage, etc.




edit: the old exhaust heat shields work great to guard the fuel filter/lines from weld splatter and grinding sparks.

speedmontzj
09-13-2004, 11:37 PM
tell me what you think. :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/e5bfdce7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/f2dad610.jpg

i've got a idea for the coil buckets if i can just make it work. i dont know how it will go over here but hopefully you will get to see in a couple days.

speedmontzj
09-25-2004, 02:23 AM
i finally got the crossmember to fit. i built a new that is 2" bigger in overall width( 1" on each side). still had to grind a little to get the clearance i wanted.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/b74e3d49.jpg
for the axle coil mounts, i'm using the stock leaf perches welding a flat plate on top and bolting ford coil buckets off the hp44 i have through the plate. i will get a couple pics this weekend . the uppers will be moved back about 3" and down 2-4" . going to finish the axle mounts first so i can put some weight on the coils to see where it will sit, then i will finish the uppers.

Krash80
09-25-2004, 04:45 PM
looks good speedmont. did you shave that 14b too?

speedmontzj
09-25-2004, 11:30 PM
yeah i cut it. it was a bitch with a sawzall. i can't tell you the amount right off the top of my head, something like 1" maybe. i cut 1/2 way into the lowest bolt and took all the sharp edges off with a grinder. i cut the cover about 1/8" above the bottom of the housing a made a 1/4" brace because now its a 13b. i got some pics i put up here in a few. its kinda a pita posting pics because on my computer ( it started doing this after i loaded a hp photoshop thing for my wife)if you have 2 windows open at the same time and you hit the enter key the illegal operation window pops up and it locks up. sorry about the rambling question but i would like to fix if anyone could tell me how.

speedmontzj
09-26-2004, 02:51 PM
block i welded to the factory spring perch to bolt hp44 bronco coil buckets 2. more to come
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/720d3cca.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/bfcfbfee.jpg

speedmontzj
09-27-2004, 11:47 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/f98307e2.jpg

Kraqa
09-29-2004, 01:42 AM
i like that coil bucket. great idea.

Raacerx
09-29-2004, 08:26 PM
lookin knarlier everytime I see it! Nice work. Cant wait to see the front setup.

speedmontzj
09-30-2004, 10:55 AM
new top coil mounts in the making. after looking at the picture i went back and measured the brackets, they are straight.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/Mvc-131s.jpg

JeepinHank
09-30-2004, 11:07 AM
Got anymore pics of that crossmember?

speedmontzj
09-30-2004, 11:12 AM
what kind of pics are you wanting, ive got a couple. i can take some more tonight if you need'um

JeepinHank
09-30-2004, 11:29 AM
what kind of pics are you wanting, ive got a couple. i can take some more tonight if you need'um

Just trying to get an idea of the design. I want to make my own, but I'm trying to picture in my head how the CA mounts fit in relation to the crossmember itself and the unirail attachment points. I don't want to completely copy Clayton's design, I'm just trying to figure out how it all comes together, so that I can do something...uhhh.... similar. :D

speedmontzj
09-30-2004, 11:39 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/Mvc-069f.jpg
this is all i got right now, but i can take a couple more tonight maybe.

JeepinHank
09-30-2004, 12:24 PM
That's enough... The pic shows just the angle I wanted to see. I was under the impression that the cross member tucked the mounts up and inside of the frame rails. It was throwing me because I couldn't figure out how he would have gotten around that pinch seam. Now I see that's not the case. Just made my life a lot simpler!

Thanks!

speedmontzj
10-05-2004, 03:25 AM
spring mounts in place (still a lttle more welding to do) i borrowed a welder and welded it myself so watch out. i think it will hold when it is completely welded. :D .

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/1c22ad23.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/7a31796b.jpg

this is with the full-traction springs and a bb.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/3db252fa.jpg

EDIT By AKZJ- Fixed the formatting. Speedmont you suck at the interweb.

speedmontzj
10-05-2004, 03:27 AM
it is sitting a little high with no weight back there, damn springy as hell 2. after doing a little measuring i think the tank will ony have to be moved up 3 or 4".

JeepinHank
10-05-2004, 09:39 AM
Maybe I'm just a newb when it comes to 14b's, but I'd get rid of those sharp edges in the wheel well. I don't know how much clearance you'll have when you flex it up, but if the tires contact those corners on the spring mounts, you'll be SOL. Then again, with the added width it may not be an issue. Looks good anyway! 8)

speedmontzj
10-05-2004, 10:42 AM
yeah i still gotta do some beating and cutting on the fenders to clear the tires. this is the first time in a year and a 1/2 that it has supported its own weight in the rear. its hard to tell in this pic but thet are not as close as the look.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/35618e77.jpg

Alaska ZJ
10-05-2004, 05:58 PM
Those boggers will take care of any pesky sheetmetal that gets in the way.

speedmontzj
10-26-2004, 01:13 AM
i think the tank will clear in the stock location.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/414482e9.jpg

i will get a new digcam one day

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/d1cddbb7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/055f8df4.jpg

Alaska ZJ
11-03-2004, 10:09 AM
Interesting Perch design you have going there.....

speedmontzj
11-04-2004, 12:13 AM
well, wait till you see what it looks like now. i made the mounts like that so the air would flow around them and keep them cool. (i was going to use those on the rear before the las). i needed perches for the front, and they were sitting there ready to be welded on. i slapped a piece of plate on top with some pipe to keep the spring from moving. welding on tracbar mnt in the next day or 2. i will get a picture to show you all what not to do.

phillyzj
11-05-2004, 11:21 AM
well, wait till you see what it looks like now. i made the mounts like that so the air would flow around them and keep them cool. (i was going to use those on the rear before the las). i needed perches for the front, and they were sitting there ready to be welded on. i slapped a piece of plate on top with some pipe to keep the spring from moving. welding on tracbar mnt in the next day or 2. i will get a picture to show you all what not to do.

why do spring perches need cooling?

Alaska ZJ
11-05-2004, 11:50 AM
well, wait till you see what it looks like now. i made the mounts like that so the air would flow around them and keep them cool. (i was going to use those on the rear before the las). i needed perches for the front, and they were sitting there ready to be welded on. i slapped a piece of plate on top with some pipe to keep the spring from moving. welding on tracbar mnt in the next day or 2. i will get a picture to show you all what not to do.

why do spring perches need cooling?

I guess we all know why you have a noOb under your name.....

It was a JOKE.

speedmontzj
11-09-2004, 01:38 AM
new t-bar mount.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/0875b403.jpg
drilling my holes in the t-bar for the plugs welds at work tomorrow. do i need to put a bolt in the tube insert before i weld it or just weld the insert?

JeepinHank
11-09-2004, 08:44 AM
I'd put a bolt in the insert. If nothing else think of it as a cheap insurance policy. It doesn't take that much more effort, and it will help to prevent any distortion you might get without it.

nate
11-10-2004, 01:48 PM
Any chance you could post a pic of the underside of the relocated perch brackets you built on the unibody?

JohnBoulderCO
11-10-2004, 06:29 PM
If you are driving fast on a long Baja run, lots of up and down, the springs will heat up. If you aren't getting enough air across the springs they will get hot.

The additional heat transfer from the bottom coil to the spring perch will cool the springs a little more to keep them from overheating and getting brittle. Once that happens the spring can fail.

You have to remove your rubber spring isolators or they will act as an insulator and prevent the heat transfer.

100th post for me, so I thought I would add some useful tech info to this thread. :wink:

phillyzj
11-10-2004, 07:40 PM
well, wait till you see what it looks like now. i made the mounts like that so the air would flow around them and keep them cool. (i was going to use those on the rear before the las). i needed perches for the front, and they were sitting there ready to be welded on. i slapped a piece of plate on top with some pipe to keep the spring from moving. welding on tracbar mnt in the next day or 2. i will get a picture to show you all what not to do.

why do spring perches need cooling?

I guess we all know why you have a noOb under your name.....

It was a JOKE.

then what's with the spring perch design. even you said it was interesting. so what if i'm a newb, i'm hear to learn. i'm not asking if i can fit 38.5's on a BB. i've been here pretty much since the start. i read almost every thread. once i have a place to work, i will probably contribute something to this site.

speedmontzj
11-10-2004, 10:03 PM
let me clear this up. those spring perches come off of a 70's chevy car rearend. i was going to use those on the rear for the leaf springs ( 1st plan was to use leafs in the rear)so i would not have to use u-bolts. i got a claytons la kit so i no longer needed the brackets. when i started building coil spring brackets for the front, i found it easier to put a flat piece of plate on top than building a new set. they donot look all that good but they get the job done. the air cooling thing was a joke. last time i checked there are no baja runs in alabama. its hot enough here im not moving out west. oh yeah, 38.5 boggers are not the best for dune running either, unless maybe i had a big hemi. :lol:

Kraqa
11-10-2004, 10:33 PM
Do you really think that those springs are going to generat that much heat? i mean if they did they are a big heat sink out in the open to catch cool air. when your bajaing your moving fast. even if they did generat that much heast you would think that the speed there running would cool them down with air.

speedmontzj
11-10-2004, 11:05 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/2c2db34c.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/ead8cd68.jpg

i will snap a pic of the rear spring perches. i welded the 4 plates and the plate that supports the spring. after i get it moved to its new home i will add a plate in the middle and weld it to the "frame" and the new plates. you may not understand that ( trying to talk to earth from cloud 9 becomes cumbersome this late at night) so i will get you a pic :shock:

phillyzj
11-11-2004, 12:25 AM
bah, i'm an idiot.... :lol: good day gentlemen.

nice lookin build you have going by the way.

JeepinHank
11-11-2004, 09:32 AM
I'd be interested in seeing those spring perches as well.

Is that going to be your final height? Doesn't look like you're going to have very much up-travel up front, or is there more trimming in your future?

It does look good. I look forward to seeing a few action shots soon!

speedmontzj
11-11-2004, 02:52 PM
it looks like this right now.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/1c22ad23.jpg
i will be adding another plate in the middle of the 2 brackets and plug welding it to the frame to spread the load out when i pull the tank out to hook the fuel lines back up. i still have to paint everything and double check my links. i still have brake lines to do also.

Kraqa
11-12-2004, 01:19 AM
how much lift do you have in the rear?


i trimmed the same ampount as you but it looks like you have alot more room then me.

your gonna love the WIDE axles. i went out today and it feel soooo stable on off camber. a few spots where i would have for sure rolled befor and it felt totaly stable. the clinometer was maxed out around 30 and no probs.

speedmontzj
11-12-2004, 10:16 AM
well it got moved to its new home last night.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/1090ae39.jpg

speedmontzj
11-12-2004, 07:37 PM
how much lift do you have in the rear?

between 8-10". 2.5 springs, 2"bb, mounts moved down about 3", then new axle mounts.

speedmontzj
11-12-2004, 09:20 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/70064d11.jpg

speedmontzj
11-17-2004, 01:11 AM
i went to rusty's today and got a couple things to try to finish up.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/ffe7a4c3.jpg
brake lines i got somewhere else. those are the acos rusty sells. i wish i would have ordered the other ones. to make it worse they gave me std thread lock screws and the holes in the spacers were stripped out 6mm. so the drill and tap set came out again. drilled and tap the holes to 8mm and used ss bolts. those are 6.5" lift xj coils that will go in the front. here is another shot of the front/tb.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/29c63bf0.jpg
the axle is a little rolled back in this pic. it will be coming back out. i just put it in to move it. t still have more work to do.

happy
11-17-2004, 02:33 AM
are u gonna cut any of the metal inside the wheel well/ rear side section of the bumper.? i'm sure u already know but it will rub like crazy there and cut ur tires up, so just don't forget about that...okydoky i know i'm mister obvious...

late
happy

speedmontzj
11-17-2004, 08:50 AM
yeah im gonna trim the sharp edges then take a torch and heat the whole are bqack there and beat on it with a big sledge hammer.

Kraqa
11-17-2004, 03:30 PM
no need for torch. the sledge makes very quike work of it.

speedmontzj
12-02-2004, 01:09 AM
i used the stock upper shock mnt and welded some tabs to the axle. i changed my mind on mountkng location after i got the shocks so their a little long. i already want to redo a couple of things but it can wait.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/d701afcc.jpg

speedmontzj
12-22-2004, 12:46 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/0e0ae979.jpg
i thought you guys would enjoy this. how i keep the rear from unloading and the jeep falling over on its face.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/83ace520.jpg

OverkillZJ
12-22-2004, 09:58 AM
I just mounted 2 optimas back there for weight ;)

speedmontzj
12-22-2004, 11:28 AM
i have that chain wrapped around the axle. it was just while i had the front end out with jeep on jack stands.

OverkillZJ
12-22-2004, 12:37 PM
i have that chain wrapped around the axle. it was just while i had the front end out with jeep on jack stands.


Ahhhh now I see what you're saying. I was refraining from poiting and laughing if you left that hanging out there on the trail :)

Kraqa
12-22-2004, 01:22 PM
i can just imagin it now. you hit a bump and that anvile go's through your rear window. lol

j/j

you work looks good i bet you can't wait to drive it.

greenhunter
12-22-2004, 06:21 PM
Looks nice. I have a couple questions for you:

Were you originally planning on mounting the shocks higher on the axle (back of the tube or on top)?
Are you worried about the rear axle’s uptravel messing with the gas tank (especially the truss)? I know you said it’d be all right, but it looks really close in the picture.
What are you going to do for bumpers? I’m especially interested in how you plan on carrying a huge bogger spare.
What plans do you have for upgrading the steering and brakes?

I’m a novice when it comes to full-width, forgive me if any of these questions are stupid.

speedmontzj
12-22-2004, 11:26 PM
I’m a novice when it comes to full-width, forgive me if any of these questions are stupid.
well i have yet to see if i know what im doing.

Were you originally planning on mounting the shocks higher on the axle (back of the tube or on top)?

i "planned" to have the bottom mount on top of the axle with the upper higher through the floor on tubing(cage), but i work slooww and i had a deadline to get it movable so i just started ordering shit. :D

Are you worried about the rear axle’s uptravel messing with the gas tank (especially the truss)? I know you said it’d be all right, but it looks really close in the picture.

yes its close and i hope it clears. i think the upper arms will hit the rear floorpan before the cover will hit the tank.

What are you going to do for bumpers? I’m especially interested in how you plan on carrying a huge bogger spare.

i will build something when i get it driveable. i just want to drive the damn thing on some dirt bumpers can wait. i was thinking of something like a skinny 38x11 bogger for a spare and i dont really know where ill put it right now. i will have mounted/onboard at least a front bumper/winch and a spare (tire and axle shafts) before i go to greyrock or tellico.

steering is still kinda up in the air. i should have some free time next week to get the front tires on and have it setting on the new springs. the acos are to tall with those 6.5xj coils so it will be just a poly spacer. i will decided between inverted t or crossover/hysteer.
well i will try to get a pic of some stock disk next to the ones i have. the stock rear is not much bigger than the hub on the 14b nor is it vented. the front disk are bigger also . the 3/4 t chevy brake stuff is a little bigger than 1/2 stuff, calipers may be the same i cant remember.

i still havent decided on the e-brake setup. i dont like the line lock idea. i could see me getting out on a hill with a brake line leaking. i have printed and lost the highangledriveline order sheet twice.

greenhunter
12-23-2004, 01:48 AM
i will have mounted/onboard at least a front bumper/winch and a spare (tire and axle shafts) before i go to greyrock or tellico.

i would love to see that thing at tellico. every time i take my zj up there i get strange looks, i can only imagine how shocked they would be to see yours.

another thing i forgot to ask, how much did you stretch the wheelbase?

speedmontzj
12-23-2004, 11:25 AM
havent really took a measurment, guessing about 3"-5"

speedmontzj
03-29-2005, 12:47 AM
got the exhaust on today. i even got to drive it home under its own power, first time in over a year and a half.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/92dd0c94.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/9f6403d6.jpg

OverkillZJ
03-29-2005, 01:09 AM
:supz:

Swamp boy
03-29-2005, 01:16 AM
When are you shooting for having it done.. I have been thinking about hitting Grey rock ...

Let me know when you are going I will try to make it... :supz:

Kraqa
03-29-2005, 03:19 PM
looks good. how does it drive???

speedmontzj
03-29-2005, 07:43 PM
well i drove it with the little tires on it because it would not fit in hte guys shop with the boggers. at 30-40mph i can take my hands off the wheel and it goes straight, so i would call that good :mrgreen: considering i just eyeballed the alignment.

speedmontzj
03-30-2005, 07:11 PM
When are you shooting for having it done.. I have been thinking about hitting Grey rock ...

Let me know when you are going I will try to make it...


i hope within a month. im gonna beat on it a little bit here locally before i haul that pos somewhere and have it break first thing.

speedmontzj
04-15-2005, 12:05 PM
still have a few things 2 do . i put about 10 street miles on it and it seeems to drive pretty good. gotta' add a swaybar and finish the interior/bumpers. im as giddy as a school boy watching his first porno. :mrgreen:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/90d666c9.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/speedmontzj/sus%20axles/f0cf097f.jpg

OverkillZJ
04-15-2005, 01:21 PM
LMAO, ever tempted to drive over the libby? :axe:

happy
05-04-2005, 12:06 AM
any flex pics yet?

also do u mind me asking how much this project has cost so far?