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downtowncb
11-16-2008, 02:59 PM
I was wondering if anyone has built their own offroad trailers. I don't have any pictures of ours at the moment, but my dad brother and I built a pretty cool little one; now I want to build one of my own. I really like the Adventure Trailers but they are waay too much money. I think I could build something cooler for a lot less money.

http://www.adventuretrailers.com/images/1_lifestyle2.jpg

BigDaveZJ
11-16-2008, 03:08 PM
I've got a rought design of one that I want to do. Was going to start on it over the winter, but the transmission in my truck blew up so that took precedent. Gonna do some trips next summer and see if I still think there's a need for it. Lemme see if I can find the pics . . .

BigDaveZJ
11-16-2008, 03:17 PM
I'm still debating on the spare. Really don't like it on top. I'm hoping I can score a cheap TJ rear bumper with tire carrier when the time comes. The trailer axle will have matching bolt patterns, wheels/tires as well.

94GCbombhunter
11-19-2008, 04:28 PM
I like the idea of an adventure trailer, my only issue in wheeling a trailer was the added break-over angle on approaches and decents. What i did for my last weekend camping trip was use my hitch rack. It's built with a swivel so it "bends" when i go up or down a steep incline.

Another thing with trailers, is i'd have to figure out what to put in it. which means buying more gear.

Cody
11-19-2008, 04:40 PM
Dave, figure out a way to put a 33x9.5 spare under the trailer deck. Thats what I've seen done and, just like your jeep, keeping the trailer's cog low is key.

I have an m416 trailer that I bought. I've only used it a couple of times and had planned on springing it over and doing some other things to it, but now I think I'll sell it. I don't have the time or money right now to invest in it, and I've become pretty crafty at fitting gear into my jeep for a full week in the backcountry--even without a rack.

If you do build one, use a trailer axle as opposed to some leftover junk axle. Much lighter, and they are not that expensive. Can be had in any bolt pattern. For suspension, either use some long leaf springs or a trailing arm/air bag setup. The trailing arm/air bag is bitchin (like on the AT's) but if done correctly the long leafs are pretty stable at high speeds and work pretty well.

Ken L
11-19-2008, 06:31 PM
Also a pintle hitch and lunette eye give you more up and down and side to side movement at the hitch than a conventional trailer hitch and ball.

From research I have found that keeping the track with the same as the Jeep makes it easier to haul around on the trail.

I'm using Wrangler leaf springs for mine. I'm collecting parts and I plan to start building it this winter.

Lots of trailer building ideas here. http://forum.ih8mud.com/trailer-tech/

BigDaveZJ
11-19-2008, 06:41 PM
Ken,
I was planning on using the coupler that Adventure Trailers sells with their units on the trail, and also having a regular ball style that I could use too on the road. I think the AT coupler is called the Lock N Roll or something like that.

Cody
11-19-2008, 06:45 PM
For a grand cherokee a lock n roll hitch

http://www.locknroll.com/

would be preferable to a pintle/lunette. the rattling around of the pintle/lunette would travel right up the unibody and I'm sure it would sound like your rig is falling apart.

Ken L
11-20-2008, 11:06 AM
I know the pintle/lunette is gonig to rattle. The lock n roll might be worth looking in to. The pintle set up will get the job done though and might end up being less $$.

Cody
11-20-2008, 12:35 PM
oh, it would certainly be cheaper and would deffinately get the job done, but if you're anything like me and you're on a long range high mileage trip on dirt, the constant banging and rattling would drive me nucking futs.

Ken L
11-20-2008, 12:55 PM
oh, it would certainly be cheaper and would deffinately get the job done, but if you're anything like me and you're on a long range high mileage trip on dirt, the constant banging and rattling would drive me nucking futs.

I know what you mean.

My previous Jeep was a soft top CJ7 with Swampers. No radio could be heard in it when traveling. It had more squeaks and rattles than anything. The Grand is noise free in comparison, so a little rattling and banging won't be so bad.

My design for the hitch and the trailer is going to have the trailer portion removable so that I could tow it on the road or on gravel roads with a conventional hitch and ball. Easy enough to switch over for 2-track and trails.

Cody
11-20-2008, 01:44 PM
Ya, a little is ok, but none is better.

In a CJ, or toyota etc, you have the body somewhat isolated from the frame with rubber or poly bushings that will absorb some of that vibration. Not so much in the unibody rigs.

I just know that after 8 hours of banging around in the dirt, I would gladly pay the extra $100 to go from a pintle lunette to a lock and roll just to make my head stop hurting.

The other advantage is that the lock n roll is pretty rare to find, so someone trying to gank your trailer would have a pretty hard time hitching up to it.

BigDaveZJ
11-21-2008, 01:12 AM
Stupid economy and people not buying appliances so I can pay off my transmission and move on to my trailer project.

http://denver.craigslist.org/for/923620306.html

Cody
11-21-2008, 12:57 PM
Thats an M416 just like mine. I'll sell you mine for $700 :D One less appliace to sell.

BigDaveZJ
11-21-2008, 01:51 PM
Shit I wish I made $150 every time I sold an appliance!

ZigsRig
11-21-2008, 03:26 PM
To help motivate you selling more :D

a custom built M-416

Link: http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16632

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg281/boctor12/P1020373.jpg

Cody
11-21-2008, 03:34 PM
thats a little longer than I would want, and having the tent up that high would result in the trailer being upside down the way I drive. Clean looking build though.

AgitatedPancake
11-21-2008, 03:48 PM
get one of those awesome one-link suspension joints, the ones that are basically big hitch balls, that would be pimp for a trailer, unlimited mobility.

BigDaveZJ
11-21-2008, 04:01 PM
To help motivate you selling more :D



Hey, you live in Denver, if you wanna help, come buy something!! :flipoff2:

Mtn WJ
11-25-2008, 11:35 AM
These trailers remind me of some of the Scout Troop Quartermaster trailers in the 70 and 80s. Before you could buy inexpensive enclosed trailers the troops would build their own and they would look similar to the ones you pay a lot of money for now.

Before I bought my camper to lift and modify I was going to build one in the theme of the old Scout trailers. I was going to put a fold out top too with a store purchased tent on top. It was going to be based on the heavy duty (if there is such a thing) Harbor Freight trailer. The main reason I changed my mind is that I have 3 kids and it was going to get almost as big as a small pop up with no where near the room. I will definately be limited on the places I could pull the pop up vs where I could pull my Quartermaster trailer. However I like the base camping method we tried last year. We still plan to camp out of the Jeep and have been doing that way for 7 years. The Jeep gets loaded down pretty heavily but it is no more limited off road that way than it would be pulling a trailer. The trailer would be great for setting up camp and having all the supplies etc in easy reach.

Keep the ideas coming.

downtowncb
11-25-2008, 07:10 PM
[QUOTE=ZigsRig;221938]To help motivate you selling more :D

a custom built M-416

Link: http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16632

Thats a beautifully crafted trailer but like Cody said, a little too long, I could see that dragging coming over crests. Thats right along the lines of what I envision building myself ... eventually.

Tanto
12-13-2008, 10:57 PM
I know the pintle/lunette is gonig to rattle. The lock n roll might be worth looking in to. The pintle set up will get the job done though and might end up being less $$.

The pintle is not set up to allow the trailer to roll over without the Jeep the way the Lock-n-Roll is designed to operate.

Matt
12-29-2008, 05:49 PM
Here's a nice little M416 for sale on CO4x4.

http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=139031

OverlandXJ
01-01-2009, 02:48 PM
I sold a 51 M100 military trailer as i couldnt bring myself to modify such a clean original. So i started looking for something to use as a camp trailer and picked this up last summer.

It's not much to look at now, but i see great promise in it. It's a stepside so it has no inner fenderwells, a tailgate and slightly larger box than an M416.

I'll pull those fenders off and make a set of fenders similar to a 416, rework the tongue some and figure a way to make a lid that i can attach my RTT to. Will also order up a trailer axle for it as well.


http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/ExpeditionXJ/dadstrailer010.jpg


Heres a shot of what convinced me to drag it home, a trailing arm and coil suspension. If this "works" for me the way i hope it'll probably see airbags in the future.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/ExpeditionXJ/trailercoil001.jpg

MoonyJohn
01-02-2009, 03:19 AM
I remember seeing a wrangler that had a trailer that was the end half of another wrangler that matched everything he had on his trailer. He had boggers, black soft 8s, painted same color, hi lift on the back, spare.. it was ridiculous. Ill see if I can find it

K2
03-08-2009, 09:15 PM
Like this?

http://www.mallcrawlin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15080

I almost bought a running ZJ with no title to make into a trailer. Had damage to the passenger side, but I could have easily parted it to make money on the project. I am still kicking myself for it.

OverlandXJ
04-16-2009, 09:36 AM
I picked this up in Georgia for a member of EXPO, i'll be dragging it from SC to home tomorrow where the new owner will come pick it up saturday am.

There was a dealer outside Atlanta who had imported a bunch, they sat and he finally liquidated them cheap.

I took a ton of pics of this, i can post them up for those looking for tips on their own homebuilds.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/ExpeditionXJ/conqueror005.jpg

Cody
04-16-2009, 11:43 AM
Nice!

JordanA
04-16-2009, 01:21 PM
I like that a lot.

BigDaveZJ
04-16-2009, 02:28 PM
I decided a couple months ago I would pass on the trailer and just build the rig to suit expedition stuff more, but the more trailers I see the more I still want one.

OverlandXJ
04-16-2009, 06:57 PM
I'll start a thread with all the pics i took of this, maybe it'll help those with ideas on their builds. I'll travel home tomorrow and post a day or two later.

Heres the kitchen setup, it's pretty cool.

Two "boxes" that swing and then open..

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/ExpeditionXJ/ConquerorXJ029.jpg


Then the tailgate and sheet on it makes a table with fridge slideout directly behind.


http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/ExpeditionXJ/ConquerorXJ036.jpg

Eugene
04-19-2009, 12:06 AM
That thing is awesome! :D

northgazj
04-19-2009, 12:03 PM
Where in Georgia, how much, and any more left?!

OverlandXJ
04-20-2009, 09:29 PM
Where in Georgia, how much, and any more left?!


They are all sold. They were located in Atlanta.

Retail was ~13K... guys bought them up at 5K

K2
05-08-2009, 10:42 PM
http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/1161499667.html

I dont have money or room for this. You could part it out and be even on it. I think it would make a great trailer!

greyjeep93
09-24-2009, 12:56 PM
heres ours that me and my roommate built: 2 yj tubs on 35's with custom 3-axis. we just put two jerry cans (i know, poserish but cool) mounted in front of the cooler but no pictures yet. i know it seems alittle small for long distance expedition wheeling, but it works great for carrying a bunch of gear to a camp site along the trail. it'll go anywhere the jeep goes. it'll be getting a rack on top soon for roof top tent, bikes, kayaks, etc...

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs094.snc1/5139_662209714388_12701760_38679785_2040618_n.jpg


http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs199.snc1/6736_678457478738_12701760_39405198_2652439_n.jpg

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs199.snc1/6736_678457488718_12701760_39405200_5718998_n.jpg

bucko
09-26-2009, 09:53 PM
they made this bad boy on truck u it looked better when thy guy finished it it was kit'd out for off road rescue looked real good but ther's no finished pic's :(

http://www.tvmechanic.com/PDFS/TjTrailerPlans_503.pdf

GOTMTNS
09-26-2009, 11:22 PM
This is the one my dad and I just picked up to build into our hunting and expedition trailer. Build probably wont start till around Christmas though, I have an elk hunt we need it for in the beginning of December and don't want to dive in too deep till after we get back.
http://i627.photobucket.com/albums/tt357/GOTMTNS/Huntind%20and%20Expedition%20Trailer%20Build/DSC03244.jpg

AZLugz
01-18-2010, 03:52 PM
WOW, That looks Familiar!!!!

bamftruck
05-13-2011, 05:58 AM
I know this is a really old thread but i found this website that makes and sells Offroad trailers. http://www.sierra4x4trailers.com/

am i no way trying to support this site just giving more options for the expedition people.

Rico
09-04-2011, 04:19 AM
Those are just like adventure trailers look at something different and usable
and comfy

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg92/new2image/Off%20Road%20Enclosed%20trailer/GrandandWeekender2.jpg

SirFuego
09-04-2011, 11:15 AM
This may sound like a dumb question, but do you air down the tires on an offroad trailer? Or do you keep up the tire pressure to make it easier to pull?

ATL ZJ
09-04-2011, 12:24 PM
This may sound like a dumb question, but do you air down the tires on an offroad trailer? Or do you keep up the tire pressure to make it easier to pull?

not the dumbest question i've ever heard. you'd keep them fully inflated because they aren't receiving power. you air down tires on drive axles to give more contact area. higher contact area times zero power nets no gain and in fact probably a loss due to smaller rolling diameter and more rolling resistance

BigDaveZJ
09-04-2011, 12:39 PM
I usually air down the tires on the M416 a bit to smooth out the ride so it isn't hopping around all over the place. I'm sure it increases the rolling resistance, but so far I've only run into one spot that was tough to get the trailer through so it isn't too bad.

SirFuego
09-04-2011, 02:00 PM
not the dumbest question i've ever heard. you'd keep them fully inflated because they aren't receiving power. you air down tires on drive axles to give more contact area. higher contact area times zero power nets no gain and in fact probably a loss due to smaller rolling diameter and more rolling resistance
My thought behind airing them down is that more contact area means that it's less likely to slip off of a rock in a more technical situation. I understand that it's all a tradeoff, but just curious what the general consensus is among those that use them. As you know, there really isn't any use for an offroad trailer in these parts, but I just asked out of curiosity.

Jeep Whore
09-04-2011, 04:01 PM
My thought behind airing them down is that more contact area means that it's less likely to slip off of a rock in a more technical situation. I understand that it's all a tradeoff, but just curious what the general consensus is among those that use them. As you know, there really isn't any use for an offroad trailer in these parts, but I just asked out of curiosity.

well weight of the trailer would have a huge part in your idea there. but imo and i don't have a trailer but i would leave them filled

Rico
09-08-2011, 08:52 AM
I do air mine down as it provides a softer ride off road so you dont shake the insides too bad its a plus when you are driving down washboard roads, Plus its a easy fill with my power tank:)

downtowncb
05-31-2012, 01:52 AM
I've not given up on my plans to build my own offroad trailer one day. I found this one on Instructables that can definitely provide some inspiration. It wouldn't hold up to what I would use it for though.

http://www.instructables.com/id/Teardrop-Trailer/

http://www.instructables.com/files/deriv/FLD/F3NN/H267LJ81/FLDF3NNH267LJ81.MEDIUM.jpg

Daniel-J
11-13-2019, 05:13 AM
I remember seeing a wrangler that had a trailer that was the end half of another wrangler that matched everything he had on his trailer. He had boggers, black soft 8s, painted same color, hi lift on the back, spare.. it was ridiculous. Ill see if I can find it

I've also seen this technique miracle. I wish I had thought of taking a picture of him, but it was funny. His fantasy is definitely good :)