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wheelNC94GC
12-30-2007, 02:03 PM
Well I'm finally getting ready to start my ZJ build. Going to be doing a 4 link rear, 3 link front, 14b rear, d44 front, 5:13's, welded rear, some kind of lunch box locker up front, Hydro assist, cage, 38's, comp cut rear fenders, lots of front trimming...those are the basics. The build will hopefully be done by the start of summer or somewhere in the middle. I'm fabbing most of my brackets my self, building the 3 & 4 link, and cage myself. Right now i just got the 14 bolt cleaned up, made all my rear CA brackets, bought steel to start on the rear links and truss, ordered 100ft of 1 3/4 DOM for the cage. We are starting on the roll cage on the 1st or 2nd of jan. Heres a few pics of "progress"...not much but hey I'm finally getting started after months of seraching and planning.

Here she is before the build
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/Flex.jpg
Heres some of the 14b and cage...
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00014.jpg
The truss needs to come down tighter to the top of the pumpkin still. The tube on top was just there for checking how level it was.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00031.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00018.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/Roll_Cage_2.jpg

corrupt143
12-30-2007, 02:39 PM
WOW, theres alot of tube in that cage design. Bet you'll need more than 100ft and your COG is gonna go way up.

wheelNC94GC
12-30-2007, 03:06 PM
Ya I know...we arent building the cage exactly to that we are going to use 100ft to the best that we can. I'll post up pics of the cage when its done by next weekend hopefully. It wont be as complex as that drawing.

ZJ Pappy
12-30-2007, 05:13 PM
Sounds pretty cool...buy why the 44 front? I don't think that it would hold up so well to the 38's. You should go D60.

SuicideTireZJ
12-30-2007, 07:01 PM
I agree. I can't tell by the pictures you posted, but if that 14B is a FF, it will be a 1 ton and most d44's are 1/2 ton. The 44 won't hold up very long to 38's and moderate wheeling without sinking a lot of money into it, and at that point, a 60 is probably the way to go.

wheelNC94GC
12-30-2007, 07:53 PM
Well I've got a 44 out of a f250 that is already 8 lug. From what i understand these are 3/4 ton 44's. I got a kickass deal on it so i figured why not give it a shot. Ya the 14b is FF.

LILL ZJ
12-30-2007, 10:21 PM
The "3/4 ton" uses a lot to the same components that a 5, 6, lug uses. I believe the only thing that is upgraded and larger is the brakes. B ut yeah i know what ya mean about the good deal i also have 44s, just cant bring myself to step up to $ front end yet. Better baby that front end and also leave it open for sure.

wheelNC94GC
12-30-2007, 10:53 PM
The "3/4 ton" uses a lot to the same components that a 5, 6, lug uses. I believe the only thing that is upgraded and larger is the brakes. B ut yeah i know what ya mean about the good deal i also have 44s, just cant bring myself to step up to $ front end yet. Better baby that front end and also leave it open for sure.

Well...I will be locking it:eek: . But I will be carrying spare shafts with me....lots haha. But I think i am fairly easy on things when I wheel...I like to crawl most of the time. But every now and again you gotta do what you gotta do...but thats what the spares are for:flipoff2:

wheelNC94GC
01-04-2008, 03:15 AM
Finished the cage today. Here it is.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00059.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00064.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00072.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00079.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00084.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00080.jpg

Now on to the 14b and 4 link! I'll keep you guys updated.

tywilson88
01-04-2008, 03:43 AM
that cage turned out nice

LILL ZJ
01-04-2008, 12:35 PM
Yeah i like that cage alot, just curious why you didnt bring the b piller center supports together? I doubt that it will really mke a difference , just wondering? what kind of rod ends are you using for the front and back?

gonecheenin
01-04-2008, 01:55 PM
Cool build

throw at least inner 4340 alloy shafts into that D44 to eliminate the kneckdowns (Alloy USA makes a set for the Ferd 3/4 ton 44) & you'll increase your chances of it holding up well for decently aggressive wheeling on 38's by a good bit plus if you break anything it should be a weaker alloy stub shaft allowing the stronger 4340 alloy inner to survive fine

I've had good luck with Yukon 4340 inners & Precision 371 joints in my bluggy's locked D44 turning 38" Boggers holding up better then the stock stubs (obviously ground out for full circle clips) so thats a pretty good combo for what your doing

wheelNC94GC
01-04-2008, 02:21 PM
Cool build

throw at least inner 4340 alloy shafts into that D44 to eliminate the kneckdowns (Alloy USA makes a set for the Ferd 3/4 ton 44) & you'll increase your chances of it holding up well for decently aggressive wheeling on 38's by a good bit plus if you break anything it should be a weaker alloy stub shaft allowing the alloy inner to survive fine

I've had good luck with Yukon 4340 inners & Precision 371 joints in my bluggy's locked D44 turning 38" Boggers holding up better then the stock stubs (obviously ground out for full circle clips) so thats a pretty good combo for what your doing
Awsome man, thanks for the info!

ogdak
01-04-2008, 03:09 PM
nice cage

adam99wj
01-04-2008, 04:39 PM
nice build ,

ILikeMud
01-04-2008, 07:52 PM
I like the cage.

Loose much leg room with the front feet not going through the dash?

wheelNC94GC
01-05-2008, 12:21 PM
Yeah i like that cage alot, just curious why you didnt bring the b piller center supports together? I doubt that it will really mke a difference , just wondering? what kind of rod ends are you using for the front and back?
Well we were originally going to bring them together but we would have had to notch the hell out of that tubing to get that angle so we just said screw it, it looks cool this way and wont weaken it anymore. I'm using 3/4 heims for the uppers in the rear, 2.5" jj's for the lowers and in the front i'll most likely run all 2.5" jj's

wheelNC94GC
01-05-2008, 12:22 PM
I like the cage.

Loose much leg room with the front feet not going through the dash?
Thanks for the good reviews guys...Na its not too bad...its alittle cramped when you get in the heep but once your in its nice and comfy.

wheelNC94GC
01-10-2008, 02:02 PM
2.5" johnny joints came in! (Girlfriend got them for me!:smt026) I'll be getting to work on my rear arms real soon.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/JohnnyJoints1.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/JohnnyJoints2.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/JohnnyJoints3.jpg

LILL ZJ
01-10-2008, 06:49 PM
you suck

wheelNC94GC
01-14-2008, 08:29 PM
Updates....14b truss, new 44 hp, no more 8.25 axle...annnnd thats about it.... here ya go.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00141.jpg

No more 8.25
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00143.jpg

14 Bolt mock up...kinda
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00144.jpg

Truss
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00155.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00157.jpg

New ford hp 44
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00138.jpg

Heres one of my weldin...
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00152.jpg
More updates soon...

cashflowdub
01-14-2008, 09:20 PM
you gonna gusset those mounts or anything???? you gonna shave that 14b

CanadaDry
01-14-2008, 10:37 PM
Guy how stable is the heap on that Ground?? I am sure the cinder blocks spread out some of the weight but shit it would be nice to have a cement pad to work on. I look forward to seeing the comp cut on it.

adam99wj
01-14-2008, 10:46 PM
im not too fond on that 14 bolt truss though , i think you should run a peice of rectangle tubing across the top and drill some holes down through it, and run the bolts vertically, the rest is nice though

simular to this
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33/adam1000s/my%20jeep/IMG_0075.jpg

zj95maxx
01-14-2008, 11:08 PM
more pics of cage please


mainly the A pillar feet..and just...more pics and angles..thanks.:supz:

ZacSquatch
01-15-2008, 01:07 AM
Guy how stable is the heap on that Ground?? I am sure the cinder blocks spread out some of the weight but shit it would be nice to have a cement pad to work on. I look forward to seeing the comp cut on it.

It didn't move at all once we got it up there... grounds cold enough..

The truss looks great and for a newbie mig welder he did great. I just watched pretty much while he did the truss.. that and I have a XJ build of the same spec's minus the 4 link rear..

wheelNC94GC
01-15-2008, 12:57 PM
you gonna gusset those mounts or anything???? you gonna shave that 14b Yes to both of those!


Guy how stable is the heap on that Ground?? I am sure the cinder blocks spread out some of the weight but shit it would be nice to have a cement pad to work on. I look forward to seeing the comp cut on it.Its pretty damn stable, but we are working on a more safer way to hold it up...


more pics of cage please


mainly the A pillar feet..and just...more pics and angles..thanks.:supz: Sure thing man i'll take some more pics today or tomorrow and send them to ya. :smt023

wheelNC94GC
01-15-2008, 02:53 PM
im not too fond on that 14 bolt truss though , i think you should run a peice of rectangle tubing across the top and drill some holes down through it, and run the bolts vertically, the rest is nice though

simular to this
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33/adam1000s/my%20jeep/IMG_0075.jpg
How would you build adjustablility into that setup though?? Adjustability in anitsquat that is

IndyZJ
01-15-2008, 03:39 PM
How would you build adjustablility into that setup though?? Adjustability in anitsquat that is

antisquat could be adjusted at the "frame" side (different bolt holes in the mounts)

wheelNC94GC
01-15-2008, 03:41 PM
I know you can put it there but i meant on the truss end of it. The reason i'm keepin it adjustable on the truss end is because of the amount of room i will have on the upper frame mounts.

IndyZJ
01-15-2008, 04:03 PM
I know you can put it there but i meant on the truss end of it.

build a new truss:flipoff2:

what's wrong with adjusting it at the frame side? If it's done right, do you need adjustment anyway?

adam99wj
01-15-2008, 04:56 PM
build a new truss:flipoff2:

If it's done right, do you need adjustment anyway?

i agree with this statement 100 percent

how many rigs do you see with adjustable upper mounts on the truss?? yours is the first i saw

you can leave it like that but i dont think you will have to worry about anti squat when those links break clear of the truss , and not to rag on your welding abilities but id use a high powered mig or even a stick welder on those mounts and truss, dont forget your welding what looks like 1/4" to 1/2" axle tube , not much penatration there with a little mig welder, dont ask me how i know !!!!!!!!


other than that i like the build up

wheelNC94GC
01-15-2008, 11:42 PM
I'm not trying to be a smart ass guys I was just asking...And also I would want adjustability in the anitsquat for different wheeling applications...Different numbers work better in different areas. This is my first rig so I know things will be wrong but it'll just have to wait until the end to see what I do and don't like. And I know plenty of rigs around my local forum that have built in adjustablility...they were the ones that recommended it, I wasn't planning on it at first. Honestly adamwj99 your truss is one of the few that I've seen that have the rear upper links turned horizontal...most of the rigs I've seen have them mounted upright like mine, what are the advantages of that...will the links not bind up when at full droop?. Indyzj as far as your comment goes about building a new truss and building it "right" the first time...show me something you've fab'd up "right" the first time you did it. Not trying to be an ass but I can understand adamwj saying something....I've been watching his build and I take his criticism as builder to builder. Adam thanks for the advice. I'll keep you guys updated...the coil buckets and lca mounts should be on in the next few days.

ZacSquatch
01-16-2008, 12:49 AM
build a new truss:flipoff2:

what's wrong with adjusting it at the frame side? If it's done right, do you need adjustment anyway?

lets see your shit mr fucking 3" budget boost on turdy-ones...:smt066

IndyZJ
01-16-2008, 01:49 AM
lets see your shit mr fucking 3" budget boost on turdy-ones...:smt066
STFU newb:flipoff2:

I'm not trying to build up my DD right now for my 5 day a week hour long commute to school... I'm also not claiming to know all that is 4 link design... but IMHO if you do your homework and pay attention to how you're setting it up you shouldn't really need to adjust your antisquat after it's done. Look at what works for what you want to do and build your shit to work where you need it to.

94GC I never said you should build a new truss. I wasn't calling you out by any means and I think you're doing a great job. Your heims should be perfectly fine in that orientation assuming you're going to add some bracing the mounts. I was just answering your question as to how you'd adjust antisquat with the joints mounted in the orientation adam suggested, so don't get all butt hurt.

wheelNC94GC
01-16-2008, 01:56 AM
94GC I never said you should build a new truss. I wasn't calling you out by any means and I think you're doing a great job. Your heims should be perfectly fine in that orientation assuming you're going to add some bracing the mounts. I was just answering your question as to how you'd adjust antisquat with the joints mounted in the orientation adam suggested, so don't get all butt hurt.
I'm not all butt hurt dont you worry:). I just miss understood when you said build a new truss...its all good man. Thanks for the compliments too btw!

adam99wj
01-16-2008, 06:23 PM
what are the advantages of that...will the links not bind up when at full droop?. Not trying to be an ass but I can understand adamwj saying something....I've been watching his build and I take his criticism as builder to builder. Adam thanks for the advice. I'll keep you guys updated...the coil buckets and lca mounts should be on in the next few days.



i have not had any problems with the joints binding up yet??, mabye its because of the big misalignment spacers one each side of the joint??

as for coil buckets and LCA mounts, check out Blue Torch Fab thats what i copied my rear brackets from.....sort of??, and will probably copy the front setup as well

heres mine

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33/adam1000s/IMG_0031.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33/adam1000s/IMG_0032.jpg



heres what the fronts are like , shock mount built in and everything

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33/adam1000s/ea3763ba-1.jpg

LILL ZJ
01-16-2008, 08:17 PM
Thats the front setup i just got on. I got mine from mad4wd, $90 i thought was a steal. The upper coil plates needed some grinding to fit.

wheelNC94GC
01-16-2008, 09:10 PM
I did my coil buckets and lca brackets seperate since my lower brackets will be at a slight angle. Here are the coil buckets i cut out tonight. There will be a nut welded in the center and i still have to make a peice to clamp the coil down. And just to clarify the UCA mounts they will be boxed in and gusset'd on both sides. Adam what pinion angle are you running do you know yet? Just curious.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00179.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00167.jpg

DanKNesS
01-17-2008, 12:21 AM
FUCKING SICK! damn bro, your build is seriously comming out SICK! i will be following and taking notes for sure. your cage is just perfect, my jeep would love something half that badass.

LILL ZJ
01-17-2008, 12:26 AM
someones in love...... jeas j/k

DanKNesS
01-17-2008, 12:31 AM
ass.. ha ha that is pretty funny tho.. i have a hard time not drooling all over everyones builds on this forum cus my baby jeep has got a looooonnng way to go

indy242003
01-17-2008, 02:34 AM
i have not had any problems with the joints binding up yet??, mabye its because of the big misalignment spacers one each side of the joint??

as for coil buckets and LCA mounts, check out Blue Torch Fab thats what i copied my rear brackets from.....sort of??, and will probably copy the front setup as well

heres mine

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33/adam1000s/IMG_0031.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33/adam1000s/IMG_0032.jpg



heres what the fronts are like , shock mount built in and everything

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33/adam1000s/ea3763ba-1.jpg

Sorry about the hijack but, Adam the lower link brackets look to be right under the coil buckets on there. I just built a 60 rear and set it up like stock and the lowers sit on the outside of the buckets. Won't that hurt the triangulation? Just a question. I cut the same style Ballistic Fab brackets/buckets to set it up the same as stock.

tywilson88
01-17-2008, 02:51 AM
where did you get those huge jonny joints from, i need some for my arms

wheelNC94GC
01-17-2008, 11:16 AM
where did you get those huge jonny joints from, i need some for my arms
Redrock4x4.com

adam99wj
01-17-2008, 12:02 PM
Sorry about the hijack but, Adam the lower link brackets look to be right under the coil buckets on there. I just built a 60 rear and set it up like stock and the lowers sit on the outside of the buckets. Won't that hurt the triangulation? Just a question. I cut the same style Ballistic Fab brackets/buckets to set it up the same as stock.

i dont think so , the lowers will be parallel to each other, i think the lowers on a Upper triangulated 4 link are suppose to be parallel anyways. i dont think it will matter , i have my 9" set up like what your are saying with the lowers on the axle side kicked out towards the tires , i cant see it making much difference what way you do it



Adam what pinion angle are you running do you know yet? Just curious.

i think its somewhere around 10* to 12* i think?? but im running a single u-joint on each end of the rear shaft , but cant remember rite now, ill check it out and get back to ya

wheelNC94GC
01-17-2008, 12:09 PM
i dont think so , the lowers will be parallel to each other, i think the lowers on a Upper triangulated 4 link are suppose to be parallel anyways. i dont think it will matter , i have my 9" set up like what your are saying with the lowers on the axle side kicked out towards the tires , i cant see it making much difference what way you do it


i think its somewhere around 10* to 12* i think?? but im running a single u-joint on each end of the rear shaft , but cant remember rite now, ill check it out and get back to ya
Kickin the lowers out towards the tires has helped my roll axis angle out alot. I put everything in a calculator for my rear 4 link but it was at 6 deg. with the links parallel, and when i kicked them out towards the tires it ended up being around 2 or 3. Thanks for checkin the angle...i think mine is at 15, i was just curious as to what yours was.

Skyline
01-17-2008, 01:46 PM
i have not had any problems with the joints binding up yet??, mabye its because of the big misalignment spacers one each side of the joint??

as for coil buckets and LCA mounts, check out Blue Torch Fab thats what i copied my rear brackets from.....sort of??, and will probably copy the front setup as well

heres mine

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33/adam1000s/IMG_0031.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33/adam1000s/IMG_0032.jpg



heres what the fronts are like , shock mount built in and everything

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33/adam1000s/ea3763ba-1.jpg
I gather Blue Torch Fab uses a laser cutter or water jet. But yours look just about as nice. What did you use to cut these out so cleanly?

adam99wj
01-18-2008, 10:15 PM
I gather Blue Torch Fab uses a laser cutter or water jet. But yours look just about as nice. What did you use to cut these out so cleanly?


an angle grinder and lots of time. hahaha

wheelNC94GC
01-25-2008, 11:08 PM
Updates...should be finishing the rear 4 link in the next couple of days! woo whoo then on to the front.
LCA brackets
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00266.jpg
Burned on...
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00287.jpg
Lower Arm
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00292.jpg
Lower and upper arm
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00298.jpg

wheelNC94GC
01-25-2008, 11:09 PM
more...
Unibody sleeve's for the mounts...
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00304.jpg
The rest of the sleeve will just be angle iron.
and mocked up the passenger side under the jeep...
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00308.jpg
The sleeve isn't slid all the way up onto the unibody its just kinda pushed up enough to hold itself there for mock up.

Should be done with this 4 link hopefully this weekend or early into next week.

And yes all of the mounts/brackets you see will be box'd in and/or gusset'd, just so everyone knows.

zj95maxx
01-26-2008, 12:56 AM
wheres those pics!

wheelNC94GC
01-26-2008, 03:14 AM
Haha damn man I'm sorry...been real busy lately. If you still want them I'll try and remember to take you some!

LILL ZJ
01-26-2008, 10:29 AM
those 3\4 heims look funny compared to the jj's. I need some jonny joints.

adam99wj
01-26-2008, 10:39 AM
looks good , what size tubing are those lower links made of???

wheelNC94GC
01-26-2008, 11:29 PM
The lowers are 2" x 1/4" wall sleeved with 1.5x1/4 wall. Don't think I'll be bending them, but thats what I wanted.:D Uppers are 1.4x1/4 wall

wheelNC94GC
01-30-2008, 08:30 PM
Just need to get the upper links in and finish up some gusseting...

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00350.jpg

And you guys need to check out my DD!
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00357.jpg
1980 toyota corona!! haha its awesome

zj95maxx
01-30-2008, 08:56 PM
:smt071

pics!

Dirtdiver
01-30-2008, 09:19 PM
:rofl: Mines just as bad.

And you guys need to check out my DD!
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00357.jpg
1980 toyota corona!! haha its awesome[/quote]

wheelNC94GC
01-30-2008, 09:22 PM
:smt071

pics!
Haha ok ok! Lets get specific though...of which pillars and what not??
The Corona is sweeeeet though! Everytime i go into advanced or auto zone or whatever they are like you mean a corrola?....no a CORONA like the beverage...

zj95maxx
01-30-2008, 09:40 PM
I just want more pics of your cage..everything..more angles..like 10 pics!

how they mount, how they mount underneath, how you tied them into the "frame"

wheelNC94GC
01-30-2008, 09:44 PM
I haven't tied it into the frame yet because i dont have my uni-sleeves on yet...I was planning on tying it into the frame the same way you did but instead of a bend just a 45 angle or something. But ya I will for sure get you lots of pics and i'll post them up here tomorrow.

Jeeperoni91
02-03-2008, 01:14 AM
i'd like to submit a vote to crown your ZJ the most badass in NC

wheelNC94GC
02-06-2008, 01:18 PM
Well the jeep can sit on her own as of right now but I still have to make
coil retainers, gusset numerous things, shave the 14B, put my gears in and weld it, tie the truss into the diff cover, brake lines, discs, then paint everything, then off to the front!:D . But heres some updated pics.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00404.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00400.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00406.jpg...It looks so funny

zj95maxx
02-06-2008, 03:04 PM
depending on what diff cover you get..you should get this

http://www.greatlakeoffroad.com/images/14bguard.jpg

from greatlakeoffroad.com

wheelNC94GC
02-06-2008, 08:48 PM
Ya I was planning on getting one of those...I've thought about tying the truss into the pinion gaurd too.

wheelNC94GC
02-08-2008, 02:07 AM
Finished and painted...
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00416.jpg
Shaved...
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00413.jpg
Upper mount bracing...
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00410.jpg

ILikeMud
02-08-2008, 10:35 AM
That ain't shaved.

That truss looks a little weak with just the flat plate across the top.

northgazj
02-08-2008, 10:40 AM
That truss should be plenty strong enough.

wheelNC94GC
02-08-2008, 11:16 AM
The truss will be tied into the pinion gaurd or the diff cover or both...still havent decided yet.

rradford9
02-09-2008, 12:45 AM
That ain't shaved.

x2...I thought you'd take off a good bit more than that, but then would you have a problem keeping fluid in the diff? Heres one I saw on Pirate...
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o251/alpha-96/07010111.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o251/alpha-96/07010110.jpghttp://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o251/alpha-96/07010214.jpg

wheelNC94GC
02-09-2008, 04:25 AM
Well I took alittle more than an inch off and thought about taking more but I thought I would rather smack that big bitch on a rock rather than risk welding the steel to cast causing it to be more brittle (seeing as I have never welded mild steel to cast before). Don't really want that to be the first thing I try and weld. But I should be picking up my 37" rollers this weekend so I'll measure to see how much clearance I got and we'll go from there.

wheelNC94GC
02-13-2008, 12:21 AM
Moved it and messed around...
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00422.jpg
Stump...
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00428.jpg
Those are 2 of the 4 37" radial ssr's that are on the rear...bald as shit too...but they will be good for rollers and makin some fender cuts...

adam99wj
02-13-2008, 12:58 AM
looks good man , nice and clean looking

MoonWorks
02-13-2008, 02:38 AM
How'd you push it up on that stump? Or was there enough gas left in the motor to get your there since your gas tank fell out? :)

wheelNC94GC
02-13-2008, 12:32 PM
Gas tank is relocated....kind of....still alot of work to on that :D

cashflowdub
02-13-2008, 02:09 PM
not to hijack but has anyone ever shaved the top of a 14b too. i know it would serve no real purpose but a top and bottom shave could look pretty cool. no?

adam99wj
02-13-2008, 05:16 PM
why???? i dont see why making more work will be kool???

cashflowdub
02-13-2008, 08:25 PM
i know i was just saying

wheelNC94GC
02-16-2008, 08:15 PM
Started the comp cut....and I'm already regreting the work ahead of me...:smt075 but hopefully it will turn out the way I want it to.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00432.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00437.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00438.jpg

wheelNC94GC
02-17-2008, 11:24 PM
New stuff in the mail:D
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00466.jpg
Yukon 5.13's
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00465.jpg
New carrier
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00467.jpg

rradford9
02-17-2008, 11:31 PM
Hell yeah man. That comp cut is serious! Are the new gears/carrier for the 14b that you're welding or the front 44?
I stopped by Chris's place today...he says he's building a complete homebrew LA system for the ZJ in 2 days and fitting some 35's. Must be nice to have that kinda shit available huh? I guess I'll be the little man in our group again :(

wheelNC94GC
02-18-2008, 12:15 AM
All that stuff is for the front, I havent gotten the gears for the 14B yet but I'm welding the rear and i'll be ordering an aussie for the 44 this week. Chris is gonna come help me gear the 44 and then I'll start the 3 link front. So it'll be a bit before i'm working on the suspension but I've got alot to do untill then...comp cut, setup the front 44, build an encloser for the gas tank in the rear....but it wont be too long before i get back at it. Haha poor Ryan...on 33's...thats ok I'm sure you'll be able to hold your own......or maybe you should give into our peer pressure and build yours!!!!!

wheelNC94GC
02-20-2008, 09:04 PM
Alright so I started tearing doen the 44 front heres a couple pics...ordering an aussie this week and as soon as that comes in i'll be throwing the new carrier, gears and locker in! Woo who! Anyways...
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00474.jpg
stock stuff..
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00476.jpg
Oops...dropped it.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00477.jpg
. Only thing to do really on the 44 is get all the gears in and I should be getting my 8 lug stuff late next week. I'll be getting the chromos and ox/yukons (not sure which) u joints when im closer to finishing it. So thats that....more updates soon.


Also what do you guys think is the highest pinion angle i can run without adjusting the castor angle?? I'm not saying I wont do it if I have to but, I'm just curious as to see what it might be.

Thanks

wheelNC94GC
03-16-2008, 10:51 PM
Been tied up lately and have been kind of stuck waiting on parts. Finally got my locker for the 44 so got to gether with a buddy and he helped guide me through my first gear install! Haha I did alot of watching but learned alot...thanks again Chris. Any ways I also torched the wedges off of the 44 so I will be starting the 3 link front this week. Heres a few pics.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00556.jpg
Lockright and new carrier....lockright took all of about 5 min.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00557.jpg
All in and happy
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00566.jpg
Hope to make alot of progress throughout the next couple weeks

wheelNC94GC
03-19-2008, 04:33 PM
Started on the truss for the 44
3/8" plate
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00567.jpg
The breather is relocated so yes there is no room for a breather tube where the truss is on top of.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00568.jpg

MoonWorks
03-19-2008, 08:05 PM
Looking good. What's your completion date goal?

Also...why are you regreting the comp cut already?

zj95maxx
03-19-2008, 08:17 PM
interesting...that where you are mounting your upper link I presume?

wheelNC94GC
03-19-2008, 10:12 PM
Looking good. What's your completion date goal?

Also...why are you regreting the comp cut already?
Hopefully up and running (with bare min.) month and a half from now...the comp cut is just going to be alot of hacking and cutting that I don't really want to do then its going to take alot of sheetmetal work to close it all up.


interesting...that where you are mounting your upper link I presume?
Ya, the truss will have more bracing to come...the upper link bracket will mount close to the little diff breather tube that got covered up by the truss.

MoonWorks
03-20-2008, 01:19 AM
Hopefully up and running (with bare min.) month and a half from now...the comp cut is just going to be alot of hacking and cutting that I don't really want to do then its going to take alot of sheetmetal work to close it all up.


Did you not know this before you started cutting or is what you've already done out of a drunken rage?

wheelNC94GC
03-20-2008, 08:30 AM
It was something I had planned on doing. One of those things that I wanted to do...knew it was going to be alot of work.

LILL ZJ
03-20-2008, 10:50 AM
Then stop complaining, it looks good and it will look alot better when your done with it.Are you running origional shafts in the front?

wheelNC94GC
03-20-2008, 02:03 PM
Then stop complaining, it looks good and it will look alot better when your done with it.Are you running origional shafts in the front?
I will when its done:finga: . No...don't think 38's would hold up to well to stock shafts...hell I still don't know what to think about chromos and 38's everyone says something different so i'm just going to have to try it. I think I'll end up running yukon shafts and possibly yukon super joints depending on their warranty, but I would like to use longfield 44 joints.

zj95maxx
03-20-2008, 07:02 PM
I watched a YJ beat the hell out of his rig at crozet with 39.5 and he had the 44 up front, beef axle.



But it aint no 60:smt112

wheelNC94GC
03-20-2008, 07:24 PM
Ya but hes probably a good amount lighter than I'm going to be...I'm alittle worried about my weight killing the 44 with 38's though...but we'll just have to wait and find out.

ATL ZJ
03-20-2008, 08:40 PM
I watched a YJ beat the hell out of his rig

What kind of rig did the YJ have?

ILikeMud
03-20-2008, 09:58 PM
But it aint no 60:smt112

:drinkers:

wheelNC94GC
04-16-2008, 01:31 PM
Some updates...sorry for the crappy cell phone pics...its all I had with me.
Jeep is relocated to my friends place. Thanks ALOT to him. I just recently got in johnny joints, ballistic steering, 14b 5.13 gears, some tube inserts, 38" TSL SX's, and some MRW 36 bolt beadlock rims ( will have pics up later tonight). Anywho...heres some pics.
Inside shop
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/0410082138b.jpg
Parts:driver:
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/0410082138.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/0411081533.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/0410082350_0001.jpg
teaser? i dunno...hopefully it'll be sitting on its own sometime next week.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/0411081626_0001.jpg
Front axle should be going in later on today...plasma'd out all my brackets last night, finished building my lower links, and mocked it up. Will be mounting my 38 sx's to my beadlocks tonight as long as I have time :smt026 .
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/0415082239.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/0415082335.jpg

wheelNC94GC
04-16-2008, 11:09 PM
Almost got the 3 link done tonight...would have happened if I wouldn't have snapped my 9/16 bit in half...Lowes hitachi bits =shit. Got the passenger side rear all cut out...ready to be sealed back up now.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00606.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00611.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00613.jpg
Outside shot...didn't get a chance to mount them to the locks yet...
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00608.jpg
Comp cut
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00615.jpg
Hole to fill....
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00617.jpg
More updates soon...

zj95maxx
04-16-2008, 11:29 PM
nice, ill be running 38.5 sx's...cant wait to see what yours looks like

wjguy
04-17-2008, 12:58 AM
its lookin good man, keep it up

ATL ZJ
04-17-2008, 09:08 AM
Looks pretty legit, hope you're planning on attending GSSE. :D

wheelNC94GC
04-17-2008, 10:50 AM
GSSE is a go for me. Hey ATLzj do you have any close up pics of the back of your grand when you cut just the back quarters off? I'm considering doing this to mine and really liked the tube work on the back of yours.

ATL ZJ
04-17-2008, 11:34 AM
These are probably the closest up shots I have.

http://www.mallcrawlin.com/forum/showpost.php?p=94377&postcount=130

wheelNC94GC
04-21-2008, 10:45 PM
MRW Beadlocks :cool:
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00637.jpg
Beadlocks are gay when it comes to mounting them all up....but they are worth it :)

I think i'm going to end up lowering the rear about 1-2" and we'll see how the front sits on its own once I build a trackbar.

MoonWorks
04-22-2008, 12:03 AM
Looks like you might have a good amount of rubbing going on in the front if that's going to be the placement of your front axle. If you cut the stock bumper bracket and that side of the stock bumper than you should be fine I would think.

naturalbornmudder
04-22-2008, 12:10 AM
this looks pretty nice so far. Time to start at Page 1...

grandmaster
04-22-2008, 12:18 AM
Really like the bead locks. Looks good.

naturalbornmudder
04-22-2008, 12:40 AM
Man, I just read all 5 pages of this build and I have to say that you have done some nice work,a nd more importantly, invested good money on good upgrades.

wheelNC94GC
04-22-2008, 08:19 AM
Thanks guys, as far as the front rubbing I've still got a hell of alot of cutting to do up there.

zj95
04-23-2008, 12:24 AM
this thread is only 2 pages long... WTF are you guys talkin aboot?

Lookin SWEEET!!

LILL ZJ
04-23-2008, 09:27 AM
I see 5 pages

jfowlzj95
04-23-2008, 11:01 AM
this thread is only 2 pages long... WTF are you guys talkin aboot?

WTF you smokin eh? :weedman: :flipoff2:

zj95
04-23-2008, 09:01 PM
I have my account set to view 60 post per page...

Took me 5 minutes to read this thread..

Hella better then loading 20 different pages

slim616
04-23-2008, 09:16 PM
I'm sorry if it was already was posted but are those 7" claytons your running?

wheelNC94GC
04-23-2008, 11:50 PM
No they are 6.5" BDS coils. With 1.75 teraflex spacers...I think I'm going to have to but the 1.75's down to and inch or .75. Shes sitting alittle high in the back already, but we'll see.

wheelNC94GC
04-24-2008, 11:23 AM
x member...still have to box things in
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00638.jpg
Going to start my steering too...
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00647.jpg

wheelNC94GC
05-04-2008, 10:41 PM
Updates.....steering, more fender cutting, finished the front 8 lug conversion, and its sitting on its own again! I ended up buying an entire chevy 44 that was 8 lug...trashed the ford 8 lug stuff.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00663.jpg
Front driverside
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00673.jpg
Can't wait to take it out
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00675.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00657.jpg
I'm still lacking shocks, hydrolic assist, gotta put my new tranny and t-case in, brake lines, driveshafts, bumpstops/limit straps and some more cutting here and there. Getting close though

zj95maxx
05-04-2008, 10:49 PM
fuckinggggg sweet!

got any more pics at all? The more the better....


how much did you move your axle foward, and howmuch lift ya rocken now.

wheelNC94GC
05-04-2008, 11:50 PM
Thanks man, I honestly dont know how much i stretched the front...it was quite a bit though. Heres a few more pics....and also how to fit 3/4 ton chevy calipers on a 3.5"bs wheel...wasn't too bad.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00672.jpg
Brakes...before...
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00671-1.jpg
After...
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00670.jpg

SOLITUDE
05-05-2008, 12:34 AM
Hey do you know if chevy caliper brackets can be used and keep 5x5.5 bolt pattern? I've got a Ford one and haven't decided whether or not to go this route yet or not because I've got the same 3/4 ton brakes on my rear and would love to use the same calipers front and rear. Not going to chevy flat tops juuuust yet.

Very nice build so far. Lookin good.

adam99wj
05-05-2008, 09:23 AM
did you use the stock steering box with that much stretch in the front???

nice build i like it

wheelNC94GC
05-05-2008, 11:03 AM
Ya the steering box is still in the stock position...its a tight fit between the pitman arm and draglink but it fits. The draglink had to be mounted behind the tie rod...unfortunetly its not perfectly straight but it will still work.

wheelNC94GC
05-22-2008, 10:51 PM
Updates...still lack brake lines, shocks, and driveshafts....
Half doors?
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00712.jpg
crappy point job to keep my steering from rusting
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00711.jpg
lots of cutting
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00695.jpg
ass shot
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00696.jpg
:)
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00697.jpg
New tranny and 231 t-case is in too! Still have a million small things to do like gussets and braces and what not...

wheelNC94GC
06-10-2008, 11:38 AM
So I got the front and rear shocks on...i'll pics of those sooner or later and got my brake lines straighten'd out. So I was bleeding my brakes last night and as soon as i looked at the driverside rear drum on my 14 bolt it was leaking brake fluid out the bottom of the drum. So i figured wheel cylinder right? I took the driverside drum off and to my surprise there was nothing inside the drum...just a bad wheel cylinder and the spindel....so that pissed me off since they guy i bought it from told me it had almost brand new brakes on it. Anyways, going to hopefully gear the 14b bolt this weekend, hook up the electiric fan, and go test it out!

Should be gearing the rear end today and might get to go test it out today!

I'll put some pics up later

wheelNC94GC
06-13-2008, 10:20 PM
Out in the open
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00741.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00757.jpg
Shocks are on....
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00748.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00749.jpg
Just waiting to finish gearing the rear end...then out to break it!

Yes those are plastic break lines...no it will not be driven on the road.

zj95maxx
06-13-2008, 11:44 PM
got any straight on shots? more pics of the entire thing would be great. looks sweet man

rradford9
06-14-2008, 12:04 AM
HELL YEAH! I can't wait to see it back on the trail:smt055

MoonWorks
06-14-2008, 02:03 AM
are you front brake lines long enough?

wheelNC94GC
06-14-2008, 10:15 AM
I have some very bad news.......the housing for my 14 bolt is F@#$'d. so i have to completely re-ro all the brackets and what not plus get a new rear axle...I have a message for the guy that sold me that axle...Fuck you:smt067

The reason it was messed up is because i was setting the gears...the back lash almost doubled from .003 to .012 in a half of a rotation from rotating the gears. Its like the entire housing is warped. I am furious.

Ya the brake lines are long enough.

wheelNC94GC
06-14-2008, 10:21 AM
Here ya go max
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00742.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00759.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00747.jpg

slim616
06-14-2008, 08:01 PM
its been a little bit since ive checked up on the build progress but the jeep is looking real good. One thing on the shocks though, from personal experince with the shocks being that triangulated your going to notice a ruffer ride. i ended up moving mine out about 3 or 4 more inches and the ride got alot better.

wheelNC94GC
06-15-2008, 07:49 AM
I was alittle worried about angling them that much since it kind of kills the dampening strength of them but I think it will be ok.

zj95maxx
06-15-2008, 11:05 PM
what backspacing are those wheels?

wheelNC94GC
06-16-2008, 11:26 AM
what backspacing are those wheels?
They are 15x10 MRW 36 bolt beadlocks with 3.5" backspacing I think.

wheelNC94GC
07-07-2008, 09:29 PM
Been out testing it...I love it. The suspension is doing everything I wanted it to do. The only thing I'm not happy with is the steering, and I'll be fixing that by going to full hydro soon enough. But anyways heres some pics....stilll need some limit straps and a good way to tie in the coils to the frome side.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00779.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00780.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/DSC00781.jpg
I did go up this....but the camera died...I'll try and get a cell phone vid of me going up another rock and slamming the front pass side into a tree :driver:. No more power mirror haha and some nice new dents.

zj95maxx
07-07-2008, 09:33 PM
care to tell me what size banjo bolt you are using on your 14 bolt brakes? and did the stock lines work? what all did you use...

wheelNC94GC
07-07-2008, 09:37 PM
I'm using a plastic brake link kit for the rear axle that I got off of daymotorsports.com....it came with all the fittings to bolt right into the drums. Cost like 30$ with 30ft of line and toooons of fittings. It is a good kit if its going to be for offroad only use...alot of the XRRA guys are running this same kit on their buggies.

zj95maxx
07-07-2008, 09:39 PM
oh didnt know you werent using discs

wheelNC94GC
07-07-2008, 09:45 PM
Unfortunetly for right now I am, but they are doing fine. Stopping good enough for me.

ATL ZJ
07-07-2008, 10:15 PM
What trail/area are those pics from?

wheelNC94GC
07-07-2008, 10:30 PM
Its on some private land in cherokee, nc. One of my buddies...the ledge may not look like much but its a tough little obstacle and it was pretty wet out. I was going to get some more pics but the camera freakin died. Can't wait for GSSE. Hows your build comin along ATL? Got that 60 and 14b under it yet?

ATL ZJ
07-07-2008, 10:46 PM
Sweet, private land is always fun..

My build is on hold for a while. Can't decide whether I want to put those axles under the Jeep or just sell it/give it to a friend and build a new buggy.. So for the first year ever, I'll be bringing the exact same rig as last year.

cocheese
01-08-2009, 02:10 AM
anything new with this thing? this rig is bad ass

ATL ZJ
01-08-2009, 09:51 AM
He traded it for a hendrix X-chassis and is building an F-toy now I believe.

stockzjwnc
01-08-2009, 10:49 AM
i think he traded it for a buggy. and he did have a badass bumper from chris on there that isnt in the pics

rradford9
01-08-2009, 04:40 PM
Brandon changes rigs more than some people change underwear...he recently traded the buggy (2/3 completed) for a built/beater 'yota.

He sent me this pic after wheeling his new rig for about 30 minutes.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/fmtndrummer/Top.jpg

LOL, guess he had to test it out!

wheelNC94GC
01-09-2009, 08:51 AM
:smt082 Hahaha that was funny Ryan. But yes I do seem to have a problem keeping a rig for a decent amount of time! Money ran out on the buggy project and I wasn't going to be able to finish it untill late next summer, I said fuck that I'm ready to wheel so I traded it.

novacayne75
01-10-2009, 03:10 AM
so just come on out and say it -I AM A TRAITER AND GOT RID OF MY JEEP AND NOW I WHEEL A NON JEEP ASAIN RIG .:smt090

wheelNC94GC
01-15-2009, 11:32 AM
I mean I am likin every bit of this yota...minus the hamster for the engine