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suburbia4X4
11-08-2007, 06:17 PM
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yes its the first time for alot of things. my first blow out, first pics up on mc, first time wheeling with the lift, first poser shot, and first time i drove my jeep on two wheels!

you know the basics of the jeep. 3" rustys lift, 31 inch bfg long trails, stock wheels, rustys adj trac bar, rustys steering conversion, rustys add on steering stabilizer, k&n 6X9 air cleaner, rustys air tube, and a ghetto rigged 15" old ass rockford fosgate in home made box (i spliced the wires with the rear speaker wires coming out of the amp) all in all its been good to me.



plans: for now im gonna keep the axles stock D44a and D35, replace 4 axle bearings in rear, adj. lower control arms front and rear, 231 swap, kevins off road bumpers front and rear, and a mono amp to power that 15 just acting like a big speaker instead of a sub.


its my first vehicle, and im glad its a jeep. not sure how long ill keep it but i definatly want to make it more offroad worthy before anything then i think i might get another one and throw on a claytons kit or something fun like that.


anyways, i usualy have questions but i can answer some too, mostly the lesser technical ones just cuz i mess around and try and figure stuff out alot, but yeah im open for suggestions or conversations or whatever, i guess this would be my first official NOOB post so yall know what im rollin in and so you can see that i have fun like everyone else!!

MC is the koolest!!:supz:

canadian_driver
11-08-2007, 07:28 PM
place and around ur photobucket links



ur gonna get in shit for useing rustys as well as calling the front axle a d35, just to warn ya

cashflowdub
11-08-2007, 08:05 PM
the best part about having a d35 is when you put 37s on it man

BigDaveZJ
11-08-2007, 08:32 PM
the best part about having a d35 is when you put 37s on it man

Totally. The noises a D35 makes with 37's is AWESOME!!!

Start replacing your cRusty's crap as soon as you can. Especially his steering. Currie makes a kickass bolt in steering replacement. It's one of the two things I never worry about on my rig (the other is my Clayton's Long Arms).

Hot Carl
11-08-2007, 09:03 PM
its my first vehicle, and im glad its a jeep. not sure how long ill keep it but i definatly want to make it more offroad worthy before anything then i think i might get another one and throw on a claytons kit or something fun like that.

Don't be so eager to jump into long arms right away. Be patient and see if they'd end up being worth the cost.

And BTW, I saw in another post you were looking for a place to wheel in Minnesota. There's 2 parks here....Gilbert(about an hour north of Duluth) and Appleton(a couple hours east of the Twin Cities). There's also some trails spread out in the Superior and Chippewa National Forests.

And if you haven't already, sign up on www.mn-jeep.com (http://www.mn-jeep.com).

cashflowdub
11-08-2007, 09:46 PM
lol

suburbia4X4
11-09-2007, 12:32 AM
ur gonna get in shit for useing rustys as well as calling the front axle a d35, just to warn ya[/quote]


Yeah i read all about rustys being total shit, im starting to agree now that im out and about more. and is my front axle not a dana 35 or what?

Hot Carl
11-09-2007, 12:46 AM
It's a Dana 30. Dana 35's were used in the rear.

LILL ZJ
11-09-2007, 01:36 AM
hey sorry to hijack but i would like to post some pictures or my zj and i'm not able to start a new thread. i'm in the process or waggy 44s and oem front springs in the rear with new mounts to keep it low, and would value some opinion

LILL ZJ
11-09-2007, 01:36 AM
the rears about done, its all tacked in

suburbia4X4
11-09-2007, 02:41 AM
for sure man lets see them bitches!

DieselZJ
11-09-2007, 05:11 PM
You may want to rethink the location of that steering stabilizer. It'll get 100% ruined when you go over some rocks.

DJJordache
11-09-2007, 10:56 PM
hey sorry to hijack but i would like to post some pictures or my zj and i'm not able to start a new thread. i'm in the process or waggy 44s and oem front springs in the rear with new mounts to keep it low, and would value some opinion
the rears about done, its all tacked inthis is suburbia4X4's build thread, get your own.... post it in newbie or something and if it is a build thread of your ZJ then an admin can move it over. and don't post pad. back to regular scheduled programing of suburbia4X4's build thread:D

I would also recommend moving that SS up so it doesn't get trashed the first time you smack it something

suburbia4X4
11-10-2007, 06:39 AM
Thanks DJ i appreciate it, i think that lilzj or whatever is just new to the forum and doesnt know how to start his own thread, or at least didnt know for a while until he grew a brain...in any case its all good! now back to the topic at hand..
where might i move it to?(the SS) just above the tie rod?....sounds like a stupid question, but it is like 4 in the morning and i have no idea why im still awake, but anywho...would i just flip the bracket over or what? technically its SS number dos because i have one in the stock location thats attached via bracket and not straight thru the drag link, but thats a whole other story. so flip the white one? maybe scrap it and get something that doesnt rhyme with mustys? eh eh!

DJJordache
11-10-2007, 08:32 AM
ok I guess the better question would be why do you think you need to run 2 SS's? the SS is a bandaid to "fix" other issues. one good SS is enough with the other suspension components in ok condition... but if all suspension parts are in great shape you could run without a SS. I don't use one but my steering is not stock.
oh and no "musty" parts:D

suburbia4X4
11-10-2007, 06:56 PM
well an ovbious NOOB answer is the effin DW, but i consider myself semi-noob and my answer is because i think it looks SWEET to have a little shock attached to all my stearing junk, seriuosly all the ladies love it. they come up to me and ask questions all about it and i just smile and say yeah baby hop in lets go for a ride.....


ahah yeah its for the dw but once i get new adj. lca's and some steering support/new gear box itll come off and go someplace cooler....like my huffy!

another question i have, if i were to get a mono amp to power that sub in da back would i beable to splice the wires from the stock amp? or would i have to go directly from the head unit? i really dont feel like getting a whole new head unit and bypassing the stock amp cuz i like it as is, i just want some pure effin BOOM in the back ya know? so what are my options as far as installing another amp for the subwoofer?

DJJordache
11-10-2007, 07:23 PM
seriuosly all the ladies love it. they come up to me and ask questions all about it and i just smile and say yeah baby hop in lets go for a ride..... maybe I'll have to look into doing that haha


if i were to get a mono amp to power that sub in da back would i beable to splice the wires from the stock amp? or would i have to go directly from the head unit? i really dont feel like getting a whole new head unit and bypassing the stock amp cuz i like it as is, i just want some pure effin BOOM in the back ya know? so what are my options as far as installing another amp for the subwoofer? if you don't have another set of RCA's output form the headunit there is the option of using a hog pass converter to adapt the high level signals of the rear speaker to the line level RCA to be able to tie into the amp..... oh and some amps have the option to have speaker level connections that go right into the amp. using the high level signal is not really recommended for the best sound quality but will work anyways if you don't care about being an audiophile:D

suburbia4X4
11-16-2007, 12:21 AM
Well, see, the thing im most concerned about is the controls on the steering wheel for the stereo. sure its only simple stuff like volume and song change n stuff, but i really like that stuff, which is why i dont really wanna get a new deck cuz i dont know if that will allow for me to use those controls anymore or not. so if i were to keep the factory head unit and still try to add an amp, how might one ghetto fab the bitch? u said hog pass i think dj but i have no idea what that is. i know other people have put systems in their zjs, i just havent really researched it too much, i like to bump the hip hop and feel the bass, but i also listen to way more heavy metal and stuff then anything else so i dont need huge bass for that but for the bass booms and stuff its a plus.

meh, idk im still poor and still trying to get an effing job. damn getting laid off. i think i might rant in chit chat...good idea....
in anycase what can i do with a cheap walmart amp electrical tape and lotts of free time?

DJJordache
11-16-2007, 09:14 AM
in anycase what can i do with a cheap walmart amp electrical tape and lotts of free time?crappy parts = :smt078 or watch more Macgyver to build the good stuff from crap.....:D

here are some items that might help:
Steering Wheel Radio Control Interface

http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?g=118900&i=127SWIX&tp=701
Universal Factory Sound System Interface

http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?g=751&i=127OEM2&tp=678
adapt the speaker wires to be able to plug in an amplifier that does not already have high level inputs....... but not recommended for sounds quality but you wanted a cheap setup...

IndyZJ
11-16-2007, 04:03 PM
I put my system together out of walmart stuff...a pioneer sub and a 550 scosch amp out of the clearance audio stuff. I built a pretty big sealed box (24x16x12) out of scrap mdf from menards for it and I love it. I just played with the settings on the amp and it's just as clear and hits as hard as the rockford amp and alpine 12 setup I had before it for hip hop but isn't overpowering at all for anything else. Best part was that it only cost me $125 including an install kit... and it's from walmart so if anything blows up a year or 5 down the road it can be exchanged:cool:

suburbia4X4
11-16-2007, 05:19 PM
ah i knew there would be some crazy stuff out there for what i need to do, just had to find it. but yes, i do tend to think of myself as a kind of macgiver i once made a fire escape ladder out of shoe laces and popsicle sticks that was four stories tall, i saved 3 little girls, 2 kittens, a fish, and a vacume ( i had some extra space in my man purse)

suburbia4X4
11-23-2007, 12:50 PM
a few more questions...

the currie steering that was being talked about, thats the cheaper version on kevins site right? the one thats not the U-TURN setup or whatever?

cuz i have the rustys adj trac bar, should i just get a different trac bar or would it be a good idea to go with kevins relocator kit that lowers the mounting point on the body for more lift and less angles?

this might seem like a dumb question, but when i get the RE adj. LCA's which way are they supposed to be mounted? i know its got one end thats mounted even, then the other is offset, which goes where?

if i wanted to get some more lifticles and was planning on swapping the front springs to the rear, how tall of springs should i get to put in the front? 4.5? 6? and would that entail extended brake lines, an adj. rear trac bar, and drop pitman arm?


i think thats all i have for questions now, once the first few paychecks start coming in, ill be posting more pix and stuff so this can actually be a BUILD thread, hah.

IndyZJ
11-23-2007, 03:38 PM
The cRusty's trackbar is crap. Do some searching on here in suspension and steering and memger's rigs and you'll find answers to all of your questions about this stuff. If you have any questions about Kevin's stuff you should give him a call - he's very helpful and a great guy to do business with.

suburbia4X4
12-11-2007, 02:13 AM
did some research about the front rear swap thing, and apparently my front springs would put me at like 6-7 inches in the rear, but i dont want that much lift so im thinking about maybe the R.E. 4.5 flex kit. seems like its a nice set up and i know parting everything out would be more expensive too. i know i need the adjustable control arms for sure, trackbars, extended brakelines, etc etc. im also gonna be looking to swap to a 231 or 242 whichever i can find at my local junkyard but i figured while im at it why not work on the driveshaft? what exactly does one need to do to convert to a u-joint setup? i seen plenty of reccomendations to do this, but not really how. it seems like it could be pretty easy but i havent messed with driveshafts ever so im oblivious. more pix to come soon too when i start doing some stuff now that i have some money to work with.

IndyZJ
12-11-2007, 02:43 AM
all you need for a u-joint front shaft is the u-joint yoke off of a d30 or 44 and the front shaft out of an xj (87 and up works, iirc). Just put the yoke on a couple days ago and am in the process of replacing all the joints on the shaft. A good (625 ft/lb) impact gun will take the nut right off, and I wouldn't want to do it by hand. I'm not sure of the exact size of the nut... a 1 1/8" socket fit perfectly on mine, but I've seen a lot of guys on here mention metric sizes. It needs to be torqued down to about 200 ft/lb, but I just gunned it down (lightly) with the impact. My front shaft was already out (has been out since last may) and it only took 20 minutes to get everything torn apart and buttoned up and pull the shaft back out when I realized the centering ball in the double cardan joint was bad...damn you, ebay

suburbia4X4
01-05-2008, 03:01 PM
alright heres the update:

i took off the rustys SS cuz it looked gay and didnt really do anything.
lowered the psi in my tires to like 25 ish and now i dont have dw, so just regularly tightening up the steering and suspension stuff and its ususally good.

still planning on throwing some adjustable lca's on there but im thinking i should just get the RE 3.5 kit cuz it comes with 2 of them and then i could just buy another pair if need be. I figured the ones they provide are to center the rear axle in the wheel well so depending on how it rides and what not you know ill decide from there.

but i have hit a snag in the non wheeling portion of my jeep known as the air compressor. i checked the high pressure valve and theres absolutely none. and to top it off the clutch is just kinda chillin there, im pretty sure it burned the gasket right off and spit a whole bunch of rubber along my belt line and stuff. i got a few quotes and stuff on what i can do about it, ill spend less if i replace the compressor and stuff myself but i still have to take it into the shop to have them clean the system and put some vacume back into it. so ill probably end up biting the bullet and doing it myself but im curious if you guys have had this happen and how long i can run the engine like this. i would think it doesnt stress the belt system that much cuz its pretty much just a free spinning wheel thats in the way now but it sounds kinda shitty and i dont think i can repair it this weekend cuz the parts wouldnt be here till monday if i ordered them today. so yeah basically it happens all the time, you fix one thing then another one breaks...thats life. and as the acronym goes.... Just Empty Every Pocket.




On a side note after riding with a shitty compressor for a few days my mpg has gone down about .2 mpg, so maybe the wheel isnt as free spinning as i thought...and it seems like the idle rpms have gone down...there at like 400 rpms at idle in gear, about 1000 in neutral and 500 in park...wtf eh?

suburbia4X4
07-01-2008, 01:24 AM
So you might have seen my completly idiot mistake post about how the 44a blew up due to fluid leak, and as far as thats concerned....its rebuilt now with yukon gears still stock ratio at 373. i had some issues with adjusting backlash and pinion depth cuz i was given all new shims but they were all bigger then what i needed so innovation was involved, plus a grinder, and a few sparks in the boot. any way i can proudly say i completely pulled and reinstalled my axle 100 percent by myself with 2 jack stands a high lift and some ratchet straps.

im quite proud seeing as how she runs fine now and i had NO IDEA what i was doing.

I do have a few concerns still like how much i need to torque the pinion nut to, why it started to make some interesting clicking sounds then stopped, why it makes a somewhat "rumbling" noise when slowing down, why and where i am supposed to apply brake quiet and brake lube, how do air lockers work and why dont they make them for the 44a now, and most importantly if getting an alignment tomorrow is really gonna change how she drives.


all in all im satisfied. makes me feel better about getting ready to do a 231 swap and perhaps a rebuild on the d30 in front. or maybe even going crazy and just swapping in a cooler d44hd or whatever they are called. either way, please help me with your knowledge about my concerns, i might be inclined to show tities....hmmm rep....hmmmmm

suburbia4X4
07-01-2008, 01:29 AM
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/Samtastic08_Face/models.jpg



hmmmm....more where this came from....

grandmaster
07-01-2008, 02:23 AM
Where did it come from??

Firestarter
07-01-2008, 12:00 PM
Dude, setting up an axle is a pretty complicated process. You might want to get that shit checked out at a shop nearby before you fuck up your D44a again. thats not to say it isn't a DIY job, but it's definitely not for the newbie- and I'm sorry to say, but you sound like a newbie.

D44a=D44HD. they're the same thing. Nobody makes an air locker for the D44a.

Showing titties, while very nice, Isn't going to get you anywhere. After all The Internet is for porn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNARJPNz2CA :smt043


So you might have seen my completly idiot mistake post about how the 44a blew up due to fluid leak, and as far as thats concerned....its rebuilt now with yukon gears still stock ratio at 373. i had some issues with adjusting backlash and pinion depth cuz i was given all new shims but they were all bigger then what i needed so innovation was involved, plus a grinder, and a few sparks in the boot. any way i can proudly say i completely pulled and reinstalled my axle 100 percent by myself with 2 jack stands a high lift and some ratchet straps.

im quite proud seeing as how she runs fine now and i had NO IDEA what i was doing.

I do have a few concerns still like how much i need to torque the pinion nut to, why it started to make some interesting clicking sounds then stopped, why it makes a somewhat "rumbling" noise when slowing down, why and where i am supposed to apply brake quiet and brake lube, how do air lockers work and why dont they make them for the 44a now, and most importantly if getting an alignment tomorrow is really gonna change how she drives.


all in all im satisfied. makes me feel better about getting ready to do a 231 swap and perhaps a rebuild on the d30 in front. or maybe even going crazy and just swapping in a cooler d44hd or whatever they are called. either way, please help me with your knowledge about my concerns, i might be inclined to show tities....hmmm rep....hmmmmm

suburbia4X4
07-01-2008, 12:06 PM
Dude, setting up an axle is a pretty complicated process. You might want to get that shit checked out at a shop nearby before you fuck up your D44a again. thats not to say it isn't a DIY job, but it's definitely not for the newbie- and I'm sorry to say, but you sound like a newbie.

D44a=D44HD. they're the same thing. Nobody makes an air locker for the D44a.

Showing titties, while very nice, Isn't going to get you anywhere. After all The Internet is for porn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNARJPNz2CA :smt043




indeed i am a newb ill give you that, and i freaking knew it!!!!!!! when i was ordering my gears i made sure i had the 30 spline axles which was the (offroad) version so i guess i already have what i want. and i probably will bring it to burnsville offroad and have them take a looksie, im pretty sure theyll just have to fix one thing but it will more then likely lead to 3 more things. damnit.



oh and where did what come from?

suburbia4X4
10-10-2008, 12:28 AM
Update: after rebuilding the 44a im hearing some funky clicking sounds from the rear, my thoughts. Could be the axle, or effed up TC cuz i still havent swapped it.

There is some rubbing in my driverside rear wheel well, my thoughts are the stock trac bar and bent passenger side UCA. im thinking adj trac bar first, then get those CA's adjustable.

Still with Dw but can avoid it via lower PSI in tires. Id like to run a little more but im okay with it how it is now, however im thinking either hijack the steering setup from a junker zj or get an aftermarket kit. any ideas? willing to spend $300 ish. also, thinking about swapping a durango steering box/reman/go all out and get the expensive one. probably one of the first two though. Thinking about finding a 8.8 from an exploder, installing sound system adding some 6x9's and 2 12's, rebuilding 30, swaping tcase, replacing ac compressor so i can control my heat, finding new facia/front end cuz mine is PHUCKED, doin a spray can paint job ( full prime, 2-3 coats color, 1-2 coats of clear (maybe not though, thinking about going with a flat setup)) adding a bb ontop of the 3 springs, or going with some 6"springs, ujoint swap, light swap, adding lights, building own bumpers and roof rack.


im sure we all have these ideas, but im curious to know if you guys have any insight on which to go for first? im thinking the steering or compressor seeing as how winter is coming up here soon ill need some extra control and some heat.

Yeah its a long post, deals!

some pix for ya

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/hudobasam88_bucket/0212081629a.jpg
Full stuff when i had to park on a snow bank last winter. just about time to start cutting fender. Not discoed. (is that bad?)
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/hudobasam88_bucket/Jeep002.jpg

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/hudobasam88_bucket/0407081722.jpg
Thanks rusty, love the track bar!, now why dont i give kevin a call? sounds good!!!!

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/hudobasam88_bucket/1003082106.jpg

that white thing is kevins sticker! thanks for the tbc kevin! works way better then rustys.

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/hudobasam88_bucket/MeganFox.jpg
and i figured id let yall see my current girlfriend. yes shes hot and no you cant have her. man shes great in bed though!

;)

BigDaveZJ
10-10-2008, 12:34 AM
You're missing a bolt in your diff cover.

Spr-T-23
10-10-2008, 01:11 AM
tell her i said to come home

suburbia4X4
10-11-2008, 02:25 AM
You're missing a bolt in your diff cover.


two actually. :smt040:smt072

and she already is home. get this, she got her ex bf name tattooed on her hip right by the fun parts, and a whole shit load of words on her side, and some other tats all over too. what a turn on right? (except for the dudes name, thats getting removed soon :smt093)

IndyZJ
10-11-2008, 04:13 AM
tell her i said to come home

you're just jealous 'cause he's been online chatting with hot babes all day:flipoff2:

at least you can't say you weren't warned about the cRusty's... good to see some progress

Spr-T-23
10-11-2008, 12:08 PM
yea the name on her thing would be a deal breaker dude....but if its getting removed. heard about the tat removing creame? like kaboom or something i dont remeber

MUDDTRACKS
10-11-2008, 01:52 PM
two actually. :smt040:smt072

and she already is home. get this, she got her ex bf name tattooed on her hip right by the fun parts, and a whole shit load of words on her side, and some other tats all over too. what a turn on right? (except for the dudes name, thats getting removed soon :smt093)


Your a ass hat my friend. Megan Fox come on lol

How old are u 16:booya:

suburbia4X4
10-11-2008, 08:02 PM
Your a ass hat my friend. Megan Fox come on lol

How old are u 16:booya:


Actually im 20. i just so happen to enjoy meghan fox.I dare you to find one guy on this earth....one straight guy on this earth that does not wanna put it her. :cool:

is it so wrong to have dreams and aspirations? :smt081

Brad S
10-12-2008, 03:55 PM
lmao

suburbia4X4
11-02-2008, 11:11 PM
Update:

Trac bar bracket (axle side) BROKE OFF.. suprised? thanks extra bracket! loved the leverage!. welded that back on. Prepare to see some shitty shit..

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/hudobasam88_bucket/1025081455a.jpg

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/hudobasam88_bucket/1025081455.jpg

but i threw on a jks adj trac bar and shes good to go now!

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/hudobasam88_bucket/1028082119.jpg

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/hudobasam88_bucket/1028082118.jpg

some other pix of my fun day!

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/hudobasam88_bucket/1025081258.jpg
mmmm new grinder

:smt071 http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/hudobasam88_bucket/1025081258a.jpg

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/hudobasam88_bucket/1025081259a.jpg

yay for wire feed! and if your curious it BARELY got hot enough for some decent welding, as you can see in the pictures previous... i couldnt use an arc though cuz i dont have any bigger socketry in my house other then the standard 120v

so i went to the junk yard today because my rear shaft fell off and got pinned in between the body sway bar and axle, got the ends grinded down, and became unuseable! so i snagged a shaft out of an XJ only to find it is too short! so tomorrow im going back to snag the 231 from the XJ, and then ill just take out 2 birds with one stone because i want to swap out the case as well. it will most likely take longer then tomorrow to do it, but ill keep the pix coming of the progress.


saw this today on a gas tank and got a chuckle....
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/hudobasam88_bucket/1102081604.jpg
oh canada... :smt065

thanks for reading.
sam

piku303
11-03-2008, 12:15 AM
i wouldnt trust those welds for your life and the lives of others.

grandmaster
11-03-2008, 03:24 AM
Those welds are a great temporary fit, say...to get out of your driveway.

sandman
11-03-2008, 06:18 AM
yea you need 220 for anything suspension related.

AgitatedPancake
11-03-2008, 02:47 PM
LOL BUGEERZ

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/hudobasam88_bucket/1025081455a.jpg



Is that another crack in the top right?

piku303
11-03-2008, 02:53 PM
yea you need 220 for anything suspension related.

if you can weld decent you can use a 135-140 110v and do multiple passes. but those welds are lacking.

piku303
11-03-2008, 02:58 PM
also, it may have been difficult to weld out of position under your gas tank(great place to weld) but removing the axle to fix a critical component of your suspension does take a while.

i vote this in to scary steering:cheer:

ATL ZJ
11-03-2008, 03:06 PM
You should be ashamed of those welds. Grind them out and start over before someone dies. There is no excuse for that trash.

suburbia4X4
11-03-2008, 07:09 PM
but...but.... i had to rent the welder! i dont have one! im poor! but so far its handling okay, i tripple welded both of the spots. and yeah it was tough to get at it from a weird position. and the spot welds were more for fun after the good stuff first. buuuuuttttt ill get under there and see what she looks like. maybe more pictures, and i think ill get some duct tape down there too, just to keep it LEGIT.

piku303
11-03-2008, 08:23 PM
but...but.... i had to rent the welder! i dont have one! im poor! but so far its handling okay, i tripple welded both of the spots. and yeah it was tough to get at it from a weird position. and the spot welds were more for fun after the good stuff first. buuuuuttttt ill get under there and see what she looks like. maybe more pictures, and i think ill get some duct tape down there too, just to keep it LEGIT.

dude i think your sense of humor is disgusting. maybe you dont care about your own life but when it breaks on the highway and you hit a minivan killing the mother and children in the car its going to be on you. having unsafe vehicles like this should be the same offense as DUI and you should have your license revoked that bullshit you call a track bar bracket.

AgitatedPancake
11-03-2008, 08:39 PM
did you literally just move the welder in the direction of the crack here?

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/hudobasam88_bucket/1025081455.jpg


I don't see any evidence of any sort of pattern in the weld...

ATL ZJ
11-03-2008, 08:47 PM
To stay accurate here, we should point out that welds don't require any pattern for strength. Look at robotic welds, for instance. Plenty strong without any pattern. But for us humans, it's usually easier to work the puddle around using a certain pattern, which is why you see the stacked dimes look in most good welds.

Obviously the pic shows a half-ass rookie weld, so we'll just hope he can get some help in the fab and humor departments.


did you literally just move the welder in the direction of the crack here?

http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/hudobasam88_bucket/1025081455.jpg


I don't see any evidence of any sort of pattern in the weld...

AgitatedPancake
11-03-2008, 09:21 PM
yeah that is true, my bad for not clarifying. Watching videos of robotic welders at work is awesome.

suburbia4X4
11-04-2008, 08:39 PM
piku i understand your concern, but you dont have to hate on me for trying to enjoy the flaming im getting here. for a reminder it is the REAR trac bar and i only drive to like 35 mph all day with no heavy turns. I ran without it for a day or two and the only thing that happend was it feeling like a boat when drivin straight. other then that my situation is not completely dangerous or putting multiple people in danger. Im the only one to ride in it, never on the highway, and it barely goes off road during the school year.

So yes im sorry i do suck at fabrication. I know what the problem is and i can fix it, which is why i overwelded like a mofo.Not the best way i know, and yes it looks like shit, but im just trying to enjoy watching all my money fly away into this beast of a hobby, so forgive me for not making you keel over while your sitting at your desk reading a fucking computer screen. NEXT TIME ILL TRY HARDER.


moving on, yes i did just move the welder in the direction of the crack. i figured it would probably be hard to make a nice weld with such a tough position to get at, esp. on the bottom...hence the shit. however in my defence, id say i did OKAY with this considering the circumstance. im a much better welder than that, but its hard when i dont own the equiptment, or have the ability to use the RIGHT equiptment because of a lack of power source.

If anything can you guys give me any ideas to improve this design? i mean, could i plate it, grind it down paint it, try to make a new bracket and cut the old shit off...? im open for ideas, and thats why i posted up here in the first place to get some other ideas. thanks for any help too guys i appreciate it.


as for you piku....you and me...playground after recess. ITS GO TIME.

IndyZJ
11-04-2008, 10:50 PM
WTF? You drove your ZJ without the rear track bar? :screwy:

piku303
11-04-2008, 11:58 PM
piku i understand your concern, but you dont have to hate on me for trying to enjoy the flaming im getting here. for a reminder it is the REAR trac bar and i only drive to like 35 mph all day with no heavy turns. I ran without it for a day or two and the only thing that happend was it feeling like a boat when drivin straight. other then that my situation is not completely dangerous or putting multiple people in danger. Im the only one to ride in it, never on the highway, and it barely goes off road during the school year.

So yes im sorry i do suck at fabrication. I know what the problem is and i can fix it, which is why i overwelded like a mofo.Not the best way i know, and yes it looks like shit, but im just trying to enjoy watching all my money fly away into this beast of a hobby, so forgive me for not making you keel over while your sitting at your desk reading a fucking computer screen. NEXT TIME ILL TRY HARDER.


moving on, yes i did just move the welder in the direction of the crack. i figured it would probably be hard to make a nice weld with such a tough position to get at, esp. on the bottom...hence the shit. however in my defence, id say i did OKAY with this considering the circumstance. im a much better welder than that, but its hard when i dont own the equiptment, or have the ability to use the RIGHT equiptment because of a lack of power source.

If anything can you guys give me any ideas to improve this design? i mean, could i plate it, grind it down paint it, try to make a new bracket and cut the old shit off...? im open for ideas, and thats why i posted up here in the first place to get some other ideas. thanks for any help too guys i appreciate it.


as for you piku....you and me...playground after recess. ITS GO TIME.

remove that steel fecal mater and put a new one on. as for the throw down, lets go biatch.

canadian_driver
11-05-2008, 12:07 AM
yay efights...










this is gay

Spr-T-23
11-05-2008, 01:22 AM
choke em' out

suburbia4X4
11-05-2008, 11:27 PM
WTF? You drove your ZJ without the rear track bar? :screwy:



yup. why doesnt anyone understand that? people drive on 3 control arms up front, or with out a front shaft, or without their ac compressor on the serpentine system...whats the diff wit a trac bar? :smt102

IndyZJ
11-05-2008, 11:45 PM
yup. why doesnt anyone understand that? people drive on 3 control arms up front, or with out a front shaft, or without their ac compressor on the serpentine system...whats the diff wit a trac bar? :smt102


Uhhh... it's kinda the only thing that really locates the axle side to side... it does a pretty big job and has a bit of a load on it... why do you think the mount ripped off in the first place?
You're talking about a different suspension design (3 link) and using a shorter serp. belt (no ac)... no quite the same things.

With all due respect, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

MUDDTRACKS
11-06-2008, 12:47 AM
yup. why doesnt anyone understand that? people drive on 3 control arms up front, or with out a front shaft, or without their ac compressor on the serpentine system...whats the diff wit a trac bar? :smt102

Your kidding right Glad i dont live around u hahahaha

i would grind all that shit off and start fresh maybe take the money for renting tools and have someone do it right
no need to take a chance with someone else's life cause u dont care

Mike-WJ
11-06-2008, 12:59 AM
yup. why doesnt anyone understand that? people drive on 3 control arms up front, or with out a front shaft, or without their ac compressor on the serpentine system...whats the diff wit a trac bar? :smt102do you ever see people driving around with 3 wheels on their jeep?

BigDaveZJ
11-06-2008, 01:27 AM
Wow.

piku303
11-06-2008, 01:52 AM
Wow.

please just ban this guy dave...

BigDaveZJ
11-06-2008, 02:06 AM
please just ban this guy dave...

If I banned people for stupidity you would've been gone a long time ago!! :flipoff2:

suburbia4X4
11-06-2008, 02:41 AM
alright. point taken.

canadian_driver
11-06-2008, 02:51 AM
yup. why doesnt anyone understand that? people drive on 3 control arms up front, (in a long arm system and normally offroad only, diffrent deisgn than stock) or with out a front shaft(just means that they cant use 4wd), or without their ac compressor on the serpentine system(no ac... yep that can be very dangerous)...whats the diff wit a trac bar?(track bar is needed to keep your axle under your truck, sans trac bar, sans axle staying under truck) :smt102


thats the diffrence, all the other things you mentioned are not vital to keep jeep driving.

ive stayed out of it so far, but you really are stupid

paulkeith
11-06-2008, 08:30 AM
this is awesome.

The reason people run 3 control arms is because its a valid suspension design...called a ...3 link. Amazingly enough, it still needs a track bar to locate the axle side to side. WTF do driveshafts or air compressors have to do with suspension?

minnesota? thank god, your rolling liability should never make it all the way to GA. I think we're safe down here.

bnboffroad
11-06-2008, 12:19 PM
well first off nobodys every stupid just not educated and it depends i mean if you had to in the most extreme of conditions you could drive without the track bar if you were on the factory links and the bushings were not wore slap out as they would not give much side flex compared to a johny joint or somthing:Dand as for the welding who gives a fuck what it looks like as long as it holds most of these guys that ive seen have the money and time to set around and play with there nuts and polish there welds for hours fuck that i want to wheel as long as it holds on the trail iam good to go

canadian_driver
11-06-2008, 12:23 PM
well first off nobodys every stupid just not educated and it depends i mean if you had to in the most extreme of conditions you could drive without the track bar if you were on the factory links and the bushings were not wore slap out as they would not give much side flex compared to a johny joint or somthing:Dand as for the welding who gives a fuck what it looks like as long as it holds most of these guys that ive seen have the money and time to set around and play with there nuts and polish there welds for hours fuck that i want to wheel as long as it holds on the trail iam good to go


wtf?

bnboffroad
11-06-2008, 12:26 PM
you got a prob with somthing ive said ?

canadian_driver
11-06-2008, 12:29 PM
i really hate to bring out the grammer card, but i cant understand what you wrote, maybe its just my canadian way of spelling, lol

bnboffroad
11-06-2008, 12:36 PM
2 words BLAME CANADA LOL:tease: IAM JUST TRYING TO SAY YOU CAN DRIVE WITHOUT A PANHARD BAR ONLY IN EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES THOU

SuicideTireZJ
11-06-2008, 02:21 PM
Will your vehicle move without a trackbar? Yes. I've done it (accidentally) after shearing off a trackbar bolt. It becomes very obvious that this is a bad idea, however, after realizing that any steering input goes into sliding the axle side to side, instead of turning the tires. The amount of stress you're putting on the bushings WITHOUT ANY OPPOSING FORCE is very substantial. With the small thickness of suspension mounts, it's just a matter of (a very short amount of) time before one of these mounts fails.

Honestly, don't fucking do it. Your axle WILL fall off, and at best, you WILL fuck up your jeep, if not other people/property. If you try to prove me wrong, please do it where you can only hurt yourself.

suburbia4X4
11-06-2008, 02:43 PM
Im glad i could have encouraged so much discussion. and i thank you guys for giving me plenty of shit about what i did. but i just wanna remind everyone that i only ran without a tb for 2 days :) the welds are holding fine because, contrary to popular belief, i know how to weld. i just looks like shit. Ive had the jks bar in there since i welded the bracket back on and no problems have risen from the welds or brackets or bar.

now, i can understand all you guys freaking out at me about the importance of running WITH a trac bar in the rear, and i know what you mean. shits dangerous. and seeing as how the welcome phrase to the newbs is "eat shit" common courtesy is out the window. so i accept the fact that you all got ur panties in a bunch about my question of why its such a big deal to run no tb.

and as far as anything else goes, us jeep drivers have to be cunning and crafty when our shit breaks, if that means running without something till we fix it, then thats what it means. I was just doin what i figured would keep my costs down and keep things easiest for me.

so with that said, can anyone tell me if swap a 231 with my 249 can i use the drive shaft from the 231?

my ome shaft went south while driving when one of the u bolts around the u joints went hay-wire for some some reason. started vibrating like crazy then the thing poped out and got jammed in between the axle and sway bar and ground and it was a mess.

i had to lift the whole jeep up to get the weight off the shaft cuz it was being pinned to the ground.

needless to say im trying to find options here and i cant find any shafts in the junk yard from any zj's. any ideas?

mike007
11-06-2008, 03:09 PM
You should put an apology sign on your jeep to apologize to your neighbors for endangering their lives. With that out of the way, if I remember right the shaft should work fine but to be sure measure the distance of yours and check the measurements of the new one.

piku303
11-17-2008, 11:43 PM
If I banned people for stupidity you would've been gone a long time ago!! :flipoff2:

there's a difference between my kind of stupidity and the life threatening kind...

piku303
11-17-2008, 11:47 PM
us jeep drivers have to be cunning and crafty when our shit breaks, if that means running without something till we fix it, then thats what it means. I was just doin what i figured would keep my costs down and keep things easiest for me.


i guess ill drive around on 3 tires until i can afford to replace the flat one...i mean i have to be cunning and crafty to keep costs down!

suburbia4X4
11-18-2008, 02:57 AM
Now your talkin!

SquirrelPig
11-18-2008, 03:03 PM
OK, I've gotta chime in here. Get that crappy weld fixed! I'm by no means an expert, but where safety is concerned there should be ZERO room for slacking off. You're just showing your immaturity by thinking it’s funny or acceptable to keep this. And to drive without a track bar…just plain stupid.

Otherwise, keep up the build and postings.

suburbia4X4
11-18-2008, 07:24 PM
No worries Squirrel the weld is fixed, and the t-bar is on like donkey kong. thanks for using my thread for your first post!

I think its funny cuz people are still under the impression that im not running a trac bar so i just play along. Its kinda my gift to the idiots who dont read the whole thread or take the time to make sure someone else didnt say what they want to say already. Ya know?

AgitatedPancake
11-19-2008, 01:48 AM
and who's gift is it when idiots run around without track bars?

Lets see some pics of the repairs.

suburbia4X4
02-18-2009, 01:20 AM
Pics of the repairs? Ill do that, i feel like i came off as an idiot. well, I did come off as an idiot. Is that why you guys killed my rep? I mean, come on, whats a guy gotta do to just be green?

In any case, I have no job, or money, and the jeep is on the market already, if yall are interested i might be able to part her out, but, your gonna have to cover shipping.

If anyones interested, lemme know, ill post up in the for sale section as well.

Spr-T-23
02-18-2009, 01:45 AM
well they bullied you untill you wanted to leave? save your truck fix whats wrong with it and go wheeling. this isnt the place for someone who cant take some serious tough love though.

suburbia4X4
02-18-2009, 05:39 PM
Calm down Sprt23 Im not leaving. Just weighing my options. who says im not gonna get another grand?

:eek::smt072 :D

greyjeep93
02-20-2009, 10:57 AM
wow...

and people say pirate4x4 is bad. ive seen more flaming and bashing on this site. i guess since we dont have frames, we gotta have tough skins. glad to see they didn't scare you off. you certainly said and did some dumb things but glad to see you can take the flaming. so......Eat Shit!! and welcome to mallcrawlin. :flipoff2:

canadian_driver
02-20-2009, 11:31 AM
wow...

and people say pirate4x4 is bad. ive seen more flaming and bashing on this site. i guess since we dont have frames, we gotta have tough skins. glad to see they didn't scare you off. you certainly said and did some dumb things but glad to see you can take the flaming. so......Eat Shit!! and welcome to mallcrawlin. :flipoff2:


who the fuck do you think you are? this guy has been here since sept 07 and your just welcoming him now. your a little late there dumbass.:flipoff2:

greyjeep93
02-20-2009, 01:13 PM
who the fuck do you think you are? this guy has been here since sept 07 and your just welcoming him now. your a little late there dumbass.:flipoff2:

damn, didnt realize it was a touchy subject for you. my bad. didn't even notice the join date. looks like i am the dumbass. :shake: