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nierace
07-19-2007, 04:18 PM
I bought it new in Septemer 2003...once my tires were worn out I picked up a set of BFG AT's and a purty little brush guard + PIAA's...

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/WKvsWJ1.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/WKvsWJ2.jpg

Less than a year after that I decided to get a budget 4" lift from kolak consisting of OME HD coils + 2" terra bb :

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Done%20For%20Now/JeepFront.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Done%20For%20Now/JeepTruck.jpg

As silly as it is I still do love the wya it looks with the guard, but before my first outing to PAP I knew it had to go:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Receiver/Side.jpg

And threw one some JKS supernerfs :

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/GD%20sliders/Done.jpg

Off to PAP!

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Paragon%20-%2011-18/WJPuddle.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Paragon%20-%2011-18/Rest%20of%20them/WJFlex.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Paragon%20-%2011-18/Rest%20of%20them/HillDecentWJ.jpg

However I dropped a coil that day with the combo + mad flex so as soon as I got home I ordered a set of IRO 4" coils and while I was at it got a aussie locker too :

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trim.jpg

Went to PAP with some guys from JF and had a blast and pushed my rig way harder than the last outing...it was slick and my aussie doesnt like to unlock so going down icy hills and turning was a little interesting:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/PAP%201-27/PAP%202/TurtleTrail.jpg


http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/PAP%201-27/PAP%202/MewaterHole.jpg


http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/PAP%201-27/PAP%202/River.jpg

Strada
07-19-2007, 04:30 PM
Looks good, but IMO, i would cut the rear of the front fender too, not only the front and the mittle!

Best Regards Basti

nierace
07-19-2007, 04:39 PM
My comp crashed in the middle of the second part of my post...here we go now...

Went on another run with the PAP guys to a place in MA, Mabelle:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/IMG_2726.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/IMG_2727.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/IMG_2717.jpg
It was slick and I struggled, so it pushed me to order some LA's and a beefier skid...but I didnt get those before going to bigdogs in VA...no pics from that just the aftermath (Buddy didnt post them up yet):

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Bigdogs/Carnage/IMG_0760.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Bigdogs/Carnage/IMG_0756.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Bigdogs/Carnage/IMG_0720.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Bigdogs/Carnage/IMG_0721.jpg

I also blew a bead on my tire, but we were able to reseat it on the trial :best:


So I got my beefed up skid:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/IRO%20TC/IMG_0792.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/IRO%20TC/IMG_0794.jpg

Flipped the tie rod and draglink:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/High%20steer/DSC00499.jpg

And put on IRO's bolt on LA's...which I'm not toooo thrilled with :

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/IRO%20LA/IMG_0839.jpg

Whats missing in this pic?

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/IRO%20LA/IMG_0755a.jpg


Anyways so heres where I'm at now...dieing to get out and play.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/IRO%20LA/DSC00520.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Gonna%20Need%20a%20Bigger%20Rock/kewl.jpg

I had some extensive plans, but for how often I get to wheel I'm gonna chill for now and live with the puny 32's, I've been able to run most any trail I've wanted so no point in spending the money now...

zj95maxx
07-19-2007, 04:51 PM
are your shocks missing, is that the right answer?




So you are saying you do not like your longarms?

Shoulda went clayton:mrgreen:

Your shit looks bad ass though man

Hope to see you out in september for bigdogs again

nierace
07-19-2007, 04:57 PM
are your shocks missing, is that the right answer?




So you are saying you do not like your longarms?

Shoulda went clayton:mrgreen:

Your shit looks bad ass though man

Hope to see you out in september for bigdogs again

Shocks are for pussies ! :D

Yup...actually not too pissed since I literally got the LA's for about the same as what SA's would have been. The guys are IRO are great and everything, but theres just not enough caster adjustability in the LA's, otherwise they'd be perfect.

I'm gonna be going with custom arms though when I swap out the front axle though, big money I don't feel like spending right now :D

Not sure if I'll be able to make it out to bigdogs, that was a expensive trip but fun as all hell, I am going to RC/PAP on August 18th if anyone is interested :

http://sira4x4.net/forum/showthread.php?t=545

nierace
07-24-2007, 01:05 AM
So to keep my trend true, every 10 months I get new tires...this time I got new/used tires:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/MTR/DSC00530.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/MTR/DSC00531.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/MTR/DSC00532.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/MTR/DSC00533.jpg

canadian_driver
07-24-2007, 07:51 AM
am i crazy or are your arms on upside down?

nierace
07-24-2007, 08:14 AM
I'm pretty sure your crazy :dunno:

canadian_driver
07-24-2007, 08:15 AM
its just every control arm ive seen with the bend in them go the other way for clearance, but i dont have the kit, so i dont know, nice jeep tho

fpkites
07-24-2007, 08:57 AM
Looking forward to seeing the MT/Rs mounted up Nick - nice build writeup.

nierace
07-24-2007, 09:31 AM
its just every control arm ive seen with the bend in them go the other way for clearance, but i dont have the kit, so i dont know, nice jeep tho


They're bent like that to clear the LCA's, if you're talking about the LA's... the stock CA's thats the way they came from the factory...

Thanks Jimbo - I'll get them mounted some time this week...I got my cutting wheels ready to roll.

canadian_driver
07-24-2007, 09:56 AM
They're bent like that to clear the LCA's, if you're talking about the LA's... the stock CA's thats the way they came from the factory...




yeah figured as much, so if you ever wanted you could always chop off the old mounts and flip the arms for more ground clearance?

nierace
07-24-2007, 10:03 AM
yeah figured as much, so if you ever wanted you could always chop off the old mounts and flip the arms for more ground clearance?

Nah can't flip them, not on the driver side at least. But that was one of the nice things about them was you don't have to chop the factory brackets, though they probably will be gone in time :D

nierace
07-28-2007, 04:47 PM
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/MTR/DSC00536.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/MTR/DSC00534.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/MTR/DSC00537.jpg


And trimmage:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/MTR/DSC00538.jpg

First time using the cutt off tool so wasnt so great, but I gotta go at it again, when I flex it more it still contacts very slightly so I'll shave some more off further up.

But for now its fine on road, which is all I do, right Hunter? (:middlefinger:)


http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/MTR/DSC00539.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/MTR/DSC00541.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/MTR/DSC00543.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/MTR/DSC00544.jpg

nierace
08-22-2007, 06:46 PM
I'm bored and I guess this is a moderately significant update. Got Clayton to put his front LA's on my heep, will be going back for the rears in a few months:

IMG]http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Real%20LAs/DSC00567.jpg[/IMG]

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Real%20LAs/DSC00569.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Real%20LAs/DSC00570.jpg

Finished product:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Real%20LAs/DSC00576.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Real%20LAs/DSC00579.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Real%20LAs/DSC00573.jpg

04WJfreedom
08-22-2007, 07:44 PM
Looks nice with the claytons, good choice.

JohnBoulderCO
08-22-2007, 08:50 PM
Nice upgrade from the IRO kit.:D Looks good!

nierace
01-29-2008, 08:03 PM
My first flex test since Claytons and the shocks :

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/DSC00684.jpg


http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/DSC00685.jpg

Haven't posted here in a while, also successfully swapped in a 242HD and got rid of all my vibes, well for the most part :rolleyes:

ZJ Pappy
01-29-2008, 08:16 PM
:supz: Looks sweet!! Excellent job! :smt023

Hurricane 4x4
01-29-2008, 08:59 PM
you have vibes with 4" of lift?

nierace
01-29-2008, 09:04 PM
yar...I'm really a little above 5"

I have to fix my rear pinion though and I don't think the DS i got from the JY is totally in balance. Very minor vibes though.

Jeeperoni91
01-29-2008, 09:14 PM
nice dubya J

MoonWorks
01-30-2008, 01:31 AM
I guess I'm retarded b/c I swear I remember your WJ being maroon. Anyway, looks good. Hopefully you can make it back to bigdogs again this year.

Oh...and cut that front bumper. Looks like your tires are still eating into it.

AgitatedPancake
01-30-2008, 04:47 PM
Blaine was the only maroon WJ i remember IIRC...

nierace
01-30-2008, 05:22 PM
I guess I'm retarded b/c I swear I remember your WJ being maroon. Anyway, looks good. Hopefully you can make it back to bigdogs again this year.

Oh...and cut that front bumper. Looks like your tires are still eating into it.


Your thinking of Chris's dub (silverstoneV8) he was the guy that took the video.

I plan on going to Spring Fling/GSE but not ice breaker this year. :D

Casey L
01-30-2008, 06:33 PM
Nice WJ. I love MaBell, its my favorite place in mass!

indy242003
01-30-2008, 07:59 PM
You've got the worst part beat. It's not easy to pull of the first cut into a good looking rig. After the first cut, it gets alot easier, almost too easy. If it even looks like there is a chance of contact you'll have the grinder in hand. I've had to stop myself a couple of times. take your time, mark it out, mask it off, and double check. You'll be happy with the results. Lookin' good!!! :smt023 :smt023










And trimmage:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/MTR/DSC00538.jpg

First time using the cutt off tool so wasnt so great, but I gotta go at it again, when I flex it more it still contacts very slightly so I'll shave some more off further up.

But for now its fine on road, which is all I do, right Hunter? (:middlefinger:)


http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/MTR/DSC00539.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/MTR/DSC00541.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/MTR/DSC00543.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/MTR/DSC00544.jpg

fpkites
01-30-2008, 11:23 PM
Lookin' good Nicky - keep it up bro :supz:

nierace
04-22-2008, 08:17 AM
Went to RC Sunday - Here are some pics in the play area not everyone posted up pics from the trail ride yet...

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/drewman141/Rousch%20Creek%204-20-08/IMG_0575.jpg

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/drewman141/Rousch%20Creek%204-20-08/IMG_0577.jpg

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/drewman141/Rousch%20Creek%204-20-08/IMG_0579.jpg (http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/drewman141/Rousch%20Creek%204-20-08/IMG_0577.jpg)

Tweaked my rear drive shaft that I just had balanced and put new u joints into - looks like I'm gonna do a hack and tap instead of buying another one of those crappy junk yard shafts. Local places want 400 for a new one I can do the hack and tap and new cv shaft from tw for about the same...

nierace
07-27-2008, 11:55 PM
Redid the welds on my knuckles for the tie rod/draglink flip inserts they are way stronger now. Put in new hub assemblys and new rotors + pads. I also Replaced the ball joints, did regular uppers and then put in +1 degree caster lowers in to put me at 2.5 degrees of caster....wtf im only at 5" of lift :confused:


Couldn't get a decent ball joint press so I ended up just bringing the axle to local shop and had them press the old ones and new ones in.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/DSC00733.jpg

Went to RC day after to test everything out and seems all good.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/teaser.jpg

JayROD900
07-29-2008, 08:42 PM
Hey man nice wj! Where in CT do u live? ... and wheel?

nierace
07-31-2008, 09:40 AM
I'm over by Danbury - 90% of the time I go to Rausch Creek in PA.

nierace
09-15-2008, 01:06 PM
Another day in RC:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/RC%209-14-08/P9140021.jpg

Anyways my rear diff took a beating as usual and is leaking like crazy so will be resealing that tonight most likely.

I'm pretty sick of my stock gearing and little axles and throwing around the idea of upgrading, so I have been keeping a eye out for good deals on 14 bolt/D60's and HP44's. Think I can get anything back out of my axles?

I figured I can get $100 for my rear axle shafts for spares then another $300 for my aussie locker, and maybe $10 for the housing/gears. And I'm hoping I can get about $500 for my front axle since it has new hubb assemblys, new ball joints (offset lowers) brakes, spare shafts, and over the knuckle steering. If I can do that, I'd be about breaking even with the return value on those if I were to regear them as appose to going to a 14 bolt rear and a HP44 up front, a kingpin 60 is a bit more ching so it would put me over the budget most likely.

Does anyone even have a 14bolt in a WJ ? I'm assuming I'll probably have to raise up the gas tank.

AgitatedPancake
09-15-2008, 01:23 PM
u been breaking the 44a yet? How big are ya lookin at goin tire wise?

Check out Slo Mo's build (dunno if i spelled his name right). IIRC He has a ford 9" in the rear, but he has pics of all the things he did for pushing the axles back for big tires.

nierace
09-15-2008, 01:37 PM
u been breaking the 44a yet? How big are ya lookin at goin tire wise?

Check out Slo Mo's build (dunno if i spelled his name right). IIRC He has a ford 9" in the rear, but he has pics of all the things he did for pushing the axles back for big tires.

No I haven't broken a shaft on the 44a or the 30...but I am looking to go to 35/37's and then who knows what in the more distant future.

Yeah his build is a good guide :D

I want a 14bolt cus I can get one with 4.56's and a detroit locker right from the factory...it will be getting shaved down to help with some of the clearance. For the front a HP44 is prob the best deal since you can get them for good prices already built with chromoly shafts and new bj's/brakes/hubs/gears from guys who are going up to 60's.

For the time being I would definitely be better off re-gearing but the lowest quote I got here was $1500 and that's a good chunk of change towards swapping in new axles even though I'll be losing abs + my speedo.

Realistically I will probably not do the swap until next spring/summer but possibly pickup axles now to start prepping them until I get a new DD. I would like to keep it street able and have something I can wheel the piss out of then drive it home 4hrs away.

Other idea I had was lowering this 2" and putting on some smaller tires and nicer shocks to bring it back into a nice DD, then getting a trail rig beater that I'd have to trailer.

ATL ZJ
09-15-2008, 01:55 PM
I figured I can get $100 for my rear axle shafts for spares then another $300 for my aussie locker, and maybe $10 for the housing/gears. And I'm hoping I can get about $500 for my front axle since it has new hubb assemblys, new ball joints (offset lowers) brakes, spare shafts, and over the knuckle steering. If I can do that, I'd be about breaking even with the return value on those if I were to regear them as appose to going to a 14 bolt rear and a HP44 up front, a kingpin 60 is a bit more ching so it would put me over the budget most likely.

Maybe it's just me but those prices are a bit wishful. You may want to focus more on hunting deals than trying to get top dollar for used parts. The deals are out there- my HP kingpin 60 ended up costing me $250, and all it took was a little research and creativity. Either way, good luck and I'd love to see your WJ on 'tons.

ArloGuthroJeep
09-15-2008, 05:11 PM
$500 for your D30? Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

nierace
09-15-2008, 06:09 PM
$500 for your D30? Bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...


They're expensive on car-part.com :D

AgitatedPancake
09-15-2008, 06:41 PM
yeah but thats because junkyards try to rip WJ owners because they are newer. I agree with all the D44a stuff, but I'd say 200-250 for the d30

ArloGuthroJeep
09-15-2008, 06:51 PM
IMHO the D30 is a far weaker link then the D44a...work on upgrading that first.

Nevermind...gear ratio's, wheels, & bolt patterns are kind of nice to all do at the same time.

MoonWorks
09-15-2008, 10:35 PM
IMHO the D30 is a far weaker link then the D44a...work on upgrading that first.


I would disagree! The housing is the weakest link on the 44a. But a truss/skid is a easy fix for that.

ArloGuthroJeep
09-15-2008, 10:37 PM
Parts broken on my D30: 2 (Spider gears + Axle shaft)
Parts broekn on my D44a: 0

Times worse the D30 is then the D44a: infinite. You lose.

nierace
09-15-2008, 10:57 PM
Yeah my 44a has treated me well other than liking to leak, but with no lube locker and hd cover option not much you can do.

I'd keep the 44a but being the quote I got was 700-800 to re-gear it doesn't make sense to put that much into it instead of a 14 bolt with 4.56s + detroit for <500 + bracketry.

ATL ZJ
09-15-2008, 11:00 PM
Parts broken on my D30: 2 (Spider gears + Axle shaft)
Parts broekn on my D44a: 0

Times worse the D30 is then the D44a: infinite. You lose.

That's a pretty small sample set. :flipoff2: But it's a dumb argument anyway since we aren't trying to convince him to keep either of those axles... we want to see this thing get built. :D

AgitatedPancake
09-15-2008, 11:10 PM
I'm not going to lie, I'm an advocate for the 44a, I've romped on that thing without it letting me down yet. But; numbers talk and your pricing makes the 14 bolt a sweet option. You be the guinea pig, i'll follow suit especially if you can get the speedo working =D I already have the front done so rear is next.

dirty
09-15-2008, 11:13 PM
That's a pretty small sample set. :flipoff2: But it's a dumb argument anyway since we aren't trying to convince him to keep either of those axles... we want to see this thing get built. :D

Agreed. Keep in mind that the whole turning part adds a lot of stress to the poor 30, if an a44 had to deal with turning, I think it would explode on pavement...open.

That said, I agree with all who have spoken...neither axle kicks ass. If I had it to do again, I would have run stock untill I had the skillz/time/money for a pair of 60s or a 60/14b combo. My old d44 is tough as hell, but my hp30 is a constant/expensive game of turd polishing.

ArloGuthroJeep
09-16-2008, 12:11 AM
That's a pretty small sample set. :flipoff2: But it's a dumb argument anyway since we aren't trying to convince him to keep either of those axles... we want to see this thing get built. :D

Agreed, on both accounts:D I just picture him installing a 14b and keeping 33's...then realizing after he swaps axles he can't move because the lip between the driveway and roadway is too high for the 14b to clear it.

Pitch
09-16-2008, 11:06 PM
New axles F/R on a dub is probably going to require a new transfer case too. Either that or you get creative with tone rings and sensors in order to get a speed signal. Driving without a speedo is not really a possibility, I have tried.

I do have a 60 in the rear with a substantial truss on it... having a raised gas tank does help clear it. I think the 14b is still bigger than it is.

And for the arguement my 30 has outlasted a D35 and a D44A with far less damage done!

AgitatedPancake
09-16-2008, 11:13 PM
Eric, what did you do to your D44a? I wanna hear!

nierace
09-16-2008, 11:15 PM
Thinking about a D300...I hate having the ugly sticks that you have to use with it but you can get one for cheap and they're pretty tough. But I'm wondering how much I would have to do to make that work aside from the flip kit, just swap a input over from my old TC ?

Also been keeping a eye out on np231hd's but I know those have a tendency to blow up.

A atlas and stak is $$$$$$$$$ and I don't for see really needing more than 2.6-1 gear ratio with 4.56's and 37's...

MoonWorks
09-17-2008, 12:05 AM
IMHO the D30 is a far weaker link then the D44a...work on upgrading that first.

Nevermind...gear ratio's, wheels, & bolt patterns are kind of nice to all do at the same time.


I would disagree! The housing is the weakest link on the 44a. But a truss/skid is a easy fix for that.


Not sure how I mis-read that. Somehow I read it as saying that the 44a was weaker than the 30. Hence my previous statement saying that the main housing it self was the weakest link. The gear set up is huge in comparison to a standard 44. I can almost fit my standard 44 cover inside the housing of a 44a. So...sorry for the mis-read. :)

MoonWorks
09-17-2008, 12:11 AM
A atlas and stak is $$$$$$$$$ and I don't for see really needing more than 2.6-1 gear ratio with 4.56's and 37's...

I originally said the same thing. Now 4.56's on 35's isn't low enough. Haven't run the new 36's yet (this weekend I will). Couldn't get the new case in before this trip (long story) but can't wait to see what the 4:1 will be like.

AgitatedPancake
09-17-2008, 12:11 AM
Nick get a 241OR =D

nierace
09-17-2008, 04:23 AM
Nick get a 241OR =D


I'll probably just shop around until I find the right deal on something, so if I find a 241OR for a good deal that would be my favorite option since its a stock from the factory setup with 4-1 and a sye.

Same for the front axle, reason I picked 44 is because peeps move up to 60's and basically give away their old built axles :D (I bet if I wait long enough I could just take APs !)

Thanks for the info Matt, I really didn't think it would be a issue but I do believe with the extra tire weight. I don't even wheel in 4lo now with 33's so I didn't think it would be a problem.

MoonWorks
09-17-2008, 08:03 AM
Thanks for the info Matt, I really didn't think it would be a issue but I do believe with the extra tire weight. I don't even wheel in 4lo now with 33's so I didn't think it would be a problem.


Hopefully it didn't say you should junk your current plan. I actually like it when people build in stagest vs jumping into the biggest and best of everything all at once. It lets you really understand why you need the upgrades and what they do. Plus when you build slowely...it forces you to learn how to drive as well. The 4.56's were an amazing change over stock gearing...and with lockers...wow. But after having that setup for coming up on 2 years now...the 4:1 is the next jump as the 4.56's are deep enough for me now. You'll be fine.

Looking forward to wheeling with you again.

AgitatedPancake
09-17-2008, 11:17 PM
I just thought about it...when you do the TC swap, get the O'D of your rear driveshaft, go to a machine shop and have them machine you a tone ring that has 4.5 times less teeth than the WJ one, then get it mounted on to your driveshaft when you have it built (for the TC), then just run one of the sensors (maybe have the other spliced in as well if necessary) and WHALAH, you have a speedo.

nierace
09-18-2008, 12:57 AM
Now how do I get my ABS back ? :D

How does the speedo sensor work most transfer cases ?

AgitatedPancake
09-18-2008, 01:13 AM
I have no idea what type of signal each one puts out compared to each other, but if it works that would be badass too, as many teeth as there are on the tone ring and your set =P

Pitch
09-18-2008, 04:35 PM
I just thought about it...when you do the TC swap, get the O'D of your rear driveshaft, go to a machine shop and have them machine you a tone ring that has 4.5 times less teeth than the WJ one, then get it mounted on to your driveshaft when you have it built (for the TC), then just run one of the sensors (maybe have the other spliced in as well if necessary) and WHALAH, you have a speedo.

Yup. But the TC yoke may be a better choice if you can fit it in there. Then you have a "hard mount" on the TC that would not be nearly as mobile as a driveshaft flexing about. Second choice would be on top of the rear pinion. You could machine a ring (like the AP suggested), and then splice the ABS magnetoes together, using a single ring to give you a matching speed signal, as if it came from two rear wheels. Hell, you could even splice in the front ABS lines to get rid of the light on your dash.

AgitatedPancake
09-18-2008, 04:53 PM
Yeah I thought about that after the post, of course a hard mount would work much better for this, also, I know I've seen transfer case parking brakes and such (http://www.tsmmfg.com/Transfer_Case_Park_%20Brake.htm), if you checked out how those worked and replaced the rotor with the tone ring, boom your done.


*EDIT*

More insight, (http://www.justinternationals.org/Binder-Bench/showthread.php?t=4195)
When you do the SYE, flange it instead of getting a yoke, then you can put the disc/tone ring in between the two flanges (driveshaft + TC)

nierace
09-18-2008, 05:53 PM
Is there a write up on someone putting a NP231/NV241OR into a WJ ?

Do you need to do something custom for the linkage or will the stock linkage work ?

Am I going to change out the input or is it the same spline count & length ?

I found one on JF but the guy is asking more than I am willing to pay however hes local so maybe he'll take my offer :dunno:

AgitatedPancake
09-18-2008, 06:06 PM
I have no idea how different any of it is, if that helps =P

If his price is a little high, and you can wait; pass. They pop up on pirate every now and then, i've seen them as low as like 800

nierace
09-18-2008, 06:15 PM
You guessed the number I offered him :P

Thats as much as I am willing to spend, plus its a 2hr drive.

Well I checked up the spline count and it is the same, but I have a feeling that the actual length of the input shaft is longer than what is found on our TC's for the V8.

Is there a place where I could just pick up the input shaft? I dont want to take apart my 242HD as I plan to sell that off. Am I just going to have to find a beat tc at a JY as a donor ?

I'm such a moron I should have pulled it out of my old 247 that I just gave to the jy.

AgitatedPancake
09-18-2008, 07:38 PM
Your uh...sellin off the 242 HD huh...? hmmm

nierace
09-18-2008, 08:14 PM
Yeah shipping is prob like 40 bucks to you though :O

car-part.com ftw

AgitatedPancake
09-18-2008, 08:49 PM
yeah, my dad is probably replacing his dub soon, I'm going to see if I can convice him to let me part it out...barter with junkyards and get some good parts =D

nierace
10-25-2008, 04:25 PM
Put on some 35" KM2's

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/35s/DSC00804.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/35s/DSC00806.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/35s/DSC00807.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/35s/DSC00808.jpg


I'm not sure if I even need fender flares looking at how little they stick out. When I measured the section width they only measure to really be about 11.5"

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/35s/DSC00805.jpg

I think most of the reason why they stick out any further than they did before was because of going from 4.5" of BS to 4" on the steelies.

However the flares will definitely look cleaner so I'm still thinking...thats only reason why I haven't gone to town with cutting wheels yet. I just sledged back what was needed for the time being as I don't plan to wheel until probably after Xmas.

I dunno how the 44a is going to hold up wheeling I'm pretty gentle but still concerned about bending the housing. The 30 is open so I'm not tooo worried. They only weigh 4lbs more than my old setup.

Oh yeah still on 3.73's they literally just went on so I'm not sure how terrible it is yet on the road.

Derek33
10-25-2008, 08:37 PM
my 5.2 with 35's and 3.73's wasn't as bad as you'd expect. I think the 4.7 is a stronger motor so you should be fine.

fpkites
10-25-2008, 09:18 PM
Lookin good Nickerdoodle

nierace
10-27-2008, 08:37 PM
Yeah well I don't think I can go 3 months with out wheeling so I taped the rear fenders and will do the cuts on Weds. Is there a good way to outline the cutting line to follow the current edges ? I need like a ruler with a pen holder to just drag along the edges.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/DSC00818.jpg

nierace
10-27-2008, 08:40 PM
Better pic of the KM2 tread:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/35s/DSC00815.jpg

MACHJGC
10-27-2008, 09:25 PM
you could try using a drawing compass, and set the width of how much you want to cut off, and just scribe the line.

ajmorell
10-27-2008, 10:51 PM
Those tires are gay :D

ArloGuthroJeep
10-27-2008, 11:52 PM
How loud are they? How did they balance? Where did you end up getting them from?

nierace
10-28-2008, 09:08 AM
They're silent up to 45mph, my rear DS is about to fall out so I didn't go faster than that. I'll let you know how they're balanced and how loud they are on the highway once I get a chance. But just the little bit of driving I did made me realize how much the MT/r's suck on the road.

ajmorell
10-28-2008, 11:04 AM
How loud are they? How did they balance? Where did you end up getting them from?

Ryan, as far as MTs go they are pretty darn quiet....of course all I have to compare them to are my old set of Trxus MTs and those howled like pretty much every other swamper.

nierace
10-28-2008, 11:35 AM
I got them from a local store called town fair tire, paid out the door with tax 1100 for the 5. They were only ones who had them in stock...I told you about how costco jerked me around right? Costco has them for $204 + tax a tire however, that is probably your best bet...however I wont be going back there : |

ArloGuthroJeep
10-28-2008, 11:37 AM
I don't think MT/R's suck on the road until the tread gets low. Then they become impossible to balance and loud.

ArloGuthroJeep
10-28-2008, 11:39 AM
Ryan, as far as MTs go they are pretty darn quiet....of course all I have to compare them to are my old set of Trxus MTs and those howled like pretty much every other swamper.

Interesting...I haven't found my TrXus MT's to be loud...were you're low on tread? I imagine mine will get louder as they keep going down. For now my mufflerless exhaust is drowning out all road noise:smt044

nierace
10-28-2008, 11:43 AM
My MT/r's sucked ass since day one when they had 19/32nths, terrible in the rain and loud. However they were balanced perfectly till the day I sold them :dunno:

96greenxjjeep
10-28-2008, 12:04 PM
wow i really like the look of your jeep very clean looking

ajmorell
10-28-2008, 01:50 PM
Interesting...I haven't found my TrXus MT's to be loud...were you're low on tread? I imagine mine will get louder as they keep going down. For now my mufflerless exhaust is drowning out all road noise:smt044

They were when I sold them. You probably won't notice how loud they are until you get some wear on them. Mine started getting loud around 15k. I really didn't realize just how load they were until I rode in Blaine's jeep and realized how quiet his MTs were.

ArloGuthroJeep
10-28-2008, 02:54 PM
I have 12k on mine right now...wearing quickly.

Hmmm, what were we talking about now? Oh yeah...Nicks "trim" job. And by trim job I mean he put tape on his Jeep. That doesn't equal a trim job Nick;)

nierace
10-28-2008, 03:02 PM
Shut up or I'll have your old lady give me another one of her jobs.

Also on your trimming, the front part of the rear fender, did you fold that over too or just on the top part? I don't think I'm going to bother folding either over...

fpkites
10-28-2008, 03:28 PM
Ryan didn't do the folding...Terry did :flipoff2:

ArloGuthroJeep
10-28-2008, 03:30 PM
Folded it all over.

http://arlojeep.com/Misc-Pics/Fenders-3-14-07/Weberized/IMG_7476 (Medium).JPG
http://arlojeep.com/Misc-Pics/Fenders-3-14-07/Weberized/IMG_7488 (Medium).JPG

I think this pic shows how much was folded over (the top part of the door/vertical part)
http://arlojeep.com/Misc-Pics/Fender-Trim-3-2-07/Weberized/IMG_7281_resize.JPG

http://www.arlojeep.com/Misc-Pics/Fender-Trim-3-2-07/

nierace
10-28-2008, 04:38 PM
You used the same technique for folding on the front part ? Do you think its really necessary ?

ArloGuthroJeep
10-28-2008, 05:01 PM
Makes for cleaner lines...Others use rivets...others use glue...others use that expanding foam. Got me. I wanted the clean look.

nierace
10-28-2008, 05:06 PM
Well I'm 90% sure the iceland fender flares are going on so for the time being I'm just gonna throw some door edge trim to keep the sharp edges from cutting anyone. I might try and experiment with folding some parts and see how it comes out if it looks like duty or is a pita i'm just cutting and using door edge trim :)

nierace
10-29-2008, 02:21 PM
So today I did what I should have done before. I took out the springs and shocks and then compressed to max flex and pushed down the other side for max droop to see where I'm rubbing.

I was able to move the control arms foward a little bit with the removal of the cladding and clear the front part of my rear fender. After that the only other place I was rubbing was on the rear of the fender underneath where the bumper normally is. I cleared the top of the fender no problem, with like 1/4" to spare.

So this is what I ended up doing...

I used a set of tin snips to make a couple of cuts in the sheetmetal, I then flattened out the existing bend.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1096.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1097.jpg

Then I made 2 cuts in the form of a triangle in order to fold the two separate pieces.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1098.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1099.jpg

Since you cant see this area I didn't see the point in spending $30 on a pair of hand seamer pliers, so I just used a standard set to do my folds. I did them slowly and little at a time. I used the end of the hole for my line to bend over giving me just over a inch of extra clearance.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1100.jpg

I put a 1/4" piece of steel from I think from old garage door part, and used that to hammer my bend into a straight line:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1101.jpg

After that I cleaned out back there with a wire brush and sprayed rubberized under coating. I then hammered the seam further back.

Then on the lower part I used the grinder to smooth out this line and give a little extra clearance.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1102.jpg

Filed down the semi sharp edge from the area where I cut the triangle.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1104.jpg

Cleaned up the edges with the grinder and wire wheel to prepare to paint.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1103.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1107.jpg

Double check test fitting (This is with all the weight on the bump stop, no coil in there, and opposite pushed down on...)

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1105.jpg

I took the grinder to this seam quickly just a little bit
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1106.jpg

I used the rubber undercoat on that as well.

I put on primer then painted.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1108.jpg

Right now I'm waiting for the paint to dry so I can put the bumper on and trim it...then I'm done with the rear.

nierace
10-29-2008, 09:13 PM
Finished trimming the bumpers...heres driver side came out decent:
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1109.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1110.jpg

Passenger side I f'd up pretty bad. I wasn't paying attention to what I was doing and well...lol
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1112.jpg

I got rid of the fog lamps and cut out that whole section of the front bumper. Still need to do the reservoir relocation.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1115.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1116.jpg

Fun day !

ajmorell
10-29-2008, 10:36 PM
Looks good Nick, that's similar to how I cut up my front bumper too.

rradford9
10-30-2008, 09:54 AM
lets see some more pics during the day...it doesn't seem like you had to trim as much as I would have thought.

Makes me want 35's as soon as I can replace the crappy turdy-5.

nierace
10-30-2008, 10:22 AM
The front isnt done yet, but the front is easier :P

nierace
10-30-2008, 01:52 PM
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1122.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1125.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Trimming/IMG_1123.jpg

AgitatedPancake
10-30-2008, 02:46 PM
If I'm seing right both your front fenders have dents in them...CHOP THEM UP. I was hesitant to do it until I f*cked up both of them, then I didn't feel so bad =D

OrvisMan
10-30-2008, 09:10 PM
nick that is looking sick my friend!!! love the km2's I am thinking on those for my TJ.

I decided to keep the grand at 4"s drives great so I bought a wicked little rubicon:D keep intouch you never know we may hit RC soon....

oh and dont know if you saw where BTF is about to release the 44a cover.

nierace
10-30-2008, 09:35 PM
Hey Kevin! Let me know next time you go to RC I will do my best to go for the same weekend!

I can't wait to try out the tires hoping I can keep my axle shafts intact.

boulderchild
10-30-2008, 09:38 PM
If I'm seing right both your front fenders have dents in them...CHOP THEM UP. I was hesitant to do it until I f*cked up both of them, then I didn't feel so bad =D

I second that! I went a bit overboard on my front...and my rear fenders for that matter but the front are way easier to chop up. come on man its just sheet metal:D

OrvisMan
10-30-2008, 09:39 PM
:smt023 you do the same


hey to anyone... if yo dont have a dog in the hunt go vote for one of my krew in the YJ contest KMA KRAWLER
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=624810

KevinF
10-31-2008, 12:23 AM
I was just browsing before I went home, and checked out the thread. I'm obviously partial to black Grands, but yours looks GREAT, Nick! Congrats on all the great work...looks amazing!!

Chat soon,
Kevin

nierace
10-31-2008, 08:01 AM
Thanks Kevin !

nierace
11-08-2008, 06:24 PM
Finished doing the washer bottle move:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/Washer%20Reservoir/DSC00838.jpg

Ended up cutting it to size and drilling a hole for the WJ sensor since it didnt come with one at all.

nierace
11-15-2008, 06:09 PM
Did the front fender trimming, the 35's fit, and I didn't have to trim anything that's visible, all of this is behind the plastic bumper. I did lift it another 3/4" and put in 1" more of bump stops (total of 5-1/4" bump stop and 5-1/2-3/4" lift) This isnt quite full compression but maybe another 1/2" of up travel before it stops going up.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/DSC00846.jpg

Now I have this problem however, gonna need to lengthen the track bar I think:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/DSC00847.jpg

And this doesn't look too healthy...I think I'm gonna have to pull the axle then cut off the perches then pay someone to re-weld them further back on the axle. I was thinking of getting a multiple double cardan shaft but I dont think rotating it back 4-5 degrees is going to fix this.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/DSC00848.jpg

zj95maxx
11-16-2008, 01:12 AM
I really would not worry about those coils bowing like that man.

94ZJ,dizzle
11-16-2008, 11:36 PM
when owning a trail jeep a welder of your own is a must,that coil wont go no were,nice job on the build;)

piku303
11-16-2008, 11:48 PM
when owning a trail jeep a welder of your own is a must,that coil wont go no were,nice job on the build;)

are you suggesting welding the coil to the perch....?

nierace
11-17-2008, 12:11 AM
Nah hes saying have a welder is key when having a jeep (In this case I would need it to weld the coil perch back on after cutting it and rotating it further back on the axl).

Its a matter of time before I get one as it opens up alot of possibilities and makes my life easier so I can stop pulling my axles off when I need to get something welded lol :P


I'm wondering though if I could tear down my axle and pull the tubes then have them rotated so that my caster is perfect and the perches are lined up better, and then have them pressed back in and welded back on. I have a hunch you can't do that with a D30 though or that it will cost a fortune.

ArloGuthroJeep
11-17-2008, 12:50 AM
A knuckle rotation is what you're after there instead of pulling tubes and pressing them back in. That is a lot of work compared to just building a new axle IMHO.

nierace
11-17-2008, 12:53 AM
Yeah but the knuckle rotation doesnt fix both problems like the tube rotations :D

I figured it would be too much...I wouldn't mind tearing it down if I could get the tubes removed then pressed back in for a reasonable price.

nierace
12-03-2008, 05:35 PM
Flex test...rubbed slightly on the metal part I trimmed glad I folded it over :P

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k120/nierace/IMG_1210.jpg

Threw in some 3/4" spacers and shortened the arms a turn have to test again, I will probably end up putting in another 1/2" of bump stop. So now I'm at 5.5" of lift :O

Oh yeah and my washer bottle leaked again so gonna ask grandpa for a plastic welder for xmas and be done with that damn thing.

WJJEEPIN
12-03-2008, 06:32 PM
Looken good. My 35's are in my garage waiting to go on after the 9" swap. Every time I look at your rig it fires me up to get the swap finished.